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Questionable Harvard affiliation

The section notes under alma mater: "Harvard University (PhD – unfinished)" and also "completing a thesis in a graduate course at Harvard". However, the single Harvard-related source cited here only notes he "wrote a paper for a graduate level course at Harvard". I believe MIT allows students to take courses at Harvard. This does not account for a "thesis", and certainly not for a PhD program. CafeCandelas (talk)

That source seems to suggest that the PhD was at MIT. Professor Groisser recalled, Mr. Netanyahu had completed a quarter of a thesis that would have earned him the SM in architecture, had taken four subjects in political science and had been admitted to the doctoral program in the Department of Political Science.[1] The references to departments in the article all refer to MIT departments, and the prof mentions the Harvard paper as an addition to his admission to the PhD programme. Netanyahu might've switched to Harvard at some point, but this should be clarified. Solipsism 101 (talk) 23:30, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Why is Harvard listed under alma mater? --CafeCandelas (talk) 21:45, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 July 2021

"Add this paragraph in the section about his diplomatic relations in the general section. Magen is one of the foremost scholars on Netanyahu and Israeli politics, and this source is a culmination of research from several scholars."

In his piece, “The Strange Case of Dr. Netanyahu and Mr. Bibi,” published in The Israel Journal of Foreign Affairs, Amichai Magen discusses two sides of the former prime minister. Magen characterizes one side of Netanyahu, “Dr. Netanyahu,” as “blessed with good health, supranatural energy, a Rolls Royce brain, singular oratory skills, and unmatched political acumen.” The other side, “Mr. Bibi,” is imbued with a lack of credibility, reason, or rationality. These two competing sides emerged during Neanyahu’s last term, but it was “Mr. Bibi,” claims Magen, who was victorious. Magen claims that the situation “also invites us to consider the bipolar nature of our collective life under Netanyahu: the genuinely impressive economic, public health, security, and foreign policy accomplishments, alongside the deterioration of our political culture, rule of law, and governability in large parts of the country; deepening internal divisions and competing narratives of victimhood; a menacing atmosphere of mistrust; and growing dissatisfaction with our democracy.” Mapelviewicecream (talk) 11:42, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Where would you like to add it, and why should we add a full paragraph based on a single new source? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:49, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: It does not appear there is consensus for this addition. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:26, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Ministerial Offices

The "additional offices" section is missing the past two terms.

Bibi served as minister of foreign affairs (2015-19), defense (2018-19), communications (2014-17), health (2017-19), regional cooperation (2015-16), and economy & industry (2015-16).

Source: Hebrew wiki page on the 34th gov't of Israel

Cool, isn't it? --Turbotechwreditor (talk) 16:50, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Adding a paragraph

Please add this paragraph in biography --(not signed)

? Which paragraph? I saw about some claims that some even non israeli politicians and army äffiliates" have said in other wikipedia? It seems to me that although on Wikipedia, the false claim that Benny Gantz would have (wanted) the post of Prime Minister, it is nowhere in the media and is a very false Gotse statement, leads to riots en: 2019-2021 Israeli political crisis a year and a half ago, see discussion page of Beny Ganz on other languages too, and so they overthrew Netanyahu to put some, in my opinion, pure Germans (While Gantz is obviously not so deutsche schule) Now this government in Israel is even dangerous, it is suitable for a country like Germany and not for Israel, and in Germany itself there is only an administration, which is absurd. This thing with now in Israel is too Nazi and impossible to bear even abroad. I don't think Pfazer is a true excuse, I got the pfaze some years ago and honestly.... lol, what is this about now, I see hate there and here, on what grounds? I never remember having "the pfaze" having such effect as now in Israel? I dont know what you do in editing here, but some people edit a lot in other articles and its not cool, not at all. (sorry for the very jargon language but the Nazi push feels too much now, it wasnt like this before?) I dont agree with what is going on in Israel now and not even as how it started. --Prmeroncomp (talk) 14:33, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Sir I love you sir please help we Indians

178.153.16.197 (talk) 04:45, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.Kpddg ^{(talk • contribs)} 05:24, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Mistake regarding his mother birthplace.

There has never been an ottoman. “ Palestine” the sentence “then in Ottoman Palestine, now israel” isn’t just wrong it’s intentionally dishonest. The honest sentence would read “in Jerusalem and high was then occupied by the Ottoman Empire 2600:387:F:471B:0:0:0:4 (talk) 23:47, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

The Ottoman Empire was the sovereign, not an occupier. "Ottoman Palestine" is a standard phrase used by countless reliable sources. Zero^talk 03:12, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 June 2022

Add Affiliations section:

Benjamin Netanyahu, the former prime minister of Israel, and his cabinet supported the Dead Sea’s candidacy as one of the New 7 Wonders of Nature. NIS 8.75 million were allocated to the promotion of the Dead Sea in the global voting campaign. The site was an Israeli-Jordanian-Palestinian contender in the campaign, and was one of the 28 finalists in the New 7 Wonders of Nature contest. Melita Cameron-Wood (talk) 15:45, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. This seems to be WP:UNDUE, as I've pointed out in other places. It seems as if you're trying to promote the new seven wonders. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:50, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

References

Opposition leader

Did he also serve as opposition leader between his loss in 1999 and Sharon being Likud's new leader in November 1999? SecretName101 (talk) 00:45, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

That wouldn't really be possible since the position didn't officially exist until 2000. Wikipedia's own page for the position also includes unofficial, pre-2000 LoTo's, and doesn't include any Netanyahu tenure from 1999. Totalstgamer (talk) 00:51, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

This image is better

Benjamin Netanyahu 2018.jpg

דגן דיגן (talk) 15:00, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

updating

It is not written that the bloc led by him won a majority in the 25th Knesset, and he is going to serve for the sixth time as Prime Minister of Israel in the government that will be sworn in in the coming weeks. דגן דיגן (talk) 15:07, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

None of those things are official yet, i think its best if we wait until he's sworn in and write a full paragraph. Totalstgamer (talk) 15:50, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

About Netanyahu's Hebrew it is written that the bloc led by him won the majority of mandates in the Knesset and he is expected to serve as the Prime Minister of Israel. I believe that Israel is smarter in this matter than the rest of the world and it would be wise if the other languages in Wikipedia learned from the Hebrew entry. דגן דיגן (talk) 09:50, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

education

Why does his education say "graduated at the top of his class," when that information is not generally available or shared by universities. I feel a source behind a pay wall making claims that would generally be illegal for a school to verify to a journalist is not exactly an objective thing. I get that people love this guy, but why is there so much bias allowed on this page? This is the entire issue with Wikipedia in a nutshell, it is extremely prone to bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.91.205.86 (talk) 18:18, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

views on counter terrorism

Why is this section here at all? Is his expertise on counter terrorism a political position? Political positions generally refer to how to run a state, not how to fight existential threats... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.91.205.86 (talk) 18:26, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Lede

Lede is a disaster. Filled with details almost about everything of no relevance to an average Wikipedia reader. Do I, as an average Wikipedia reader, want to know more about the details of how he managed his rotation agreement or the fact that he has championed the settler movement for example? Makeandtoss (talk) 18:49, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

The lede as it stands is a fairly reasonable summary of Netanyahu's early life and political history. As per the discussion on criticism we might want to add a paragraph or a few sentences on Netanyahu's ideology and on criticism levied towards him. Totalstgamer (talk) 19:03, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Here are some examples of redundant details:

"Netanyahu later clashed with Sharon, eventually resigning over disagreements regarding the Gaza disengagement plan."

Should be removed entirely.

"after Sharon stepped down to form a new party, Kadima."

Should be removed entirely.

"After the April 2019 election resulted in no party being able to form a government, a second election in 2019 took place. In the September 2019 election, the centrist Blue and White alliance, led by Benny Gantz, emerged slightly ahead of Netanyahu's Likud; however, neither Netanyahu nor Gantz was able to form a government."

Should be shortened to: "Despite three consecutive elections in 2019, neither Netanyahu nor Gantz were able to form a government."

"During Trump's presidency, the United States recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, recognized Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights, and brokered the Abraham Accords, a series of normalization agreements between Israel and various Arab states."

This is all about Trump and takes more than half of an entire paragraph of the lede, should be completely removed.

"Since December 2016, Netanyahu has been under investigation for corruption by Israeli police and prosecutors. On 21 November 2019, he was indicted on charges of breach of trust, bribery and fraud. Due to the indictment, Netanyahu was legally required to relinquish all of his ministry posts other than the prime minister position prior to his ousting."

This can be summarized in just one sentence: In 2019, Netanyahu was indicted on charges of breach of trust, bribery and fraud, and thus was legally required to relinquish all of his ministry posts other than the prime minister position prior to his ousting.

Much more could be done, but here's a few examples.

Makeandtoss (talk) 20:16, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

I don't see why most of those should be removed. Netanyahu's resignation over disengagement was an important moment for his political comeback, The reason why Sharon left is a handful of words to provide context, which i think is appropriate. i entirely agree on the elections part.

The trump part is a lot more relevant in context. "Netanyahu made his closeness to Donald Trump, a personal friend since the 1980s, central to his political appeal in Israel from 2016." the latter part demonstrates that the two had a close, working relationship, which is frequently mentioned in reliable sources. The last part is for the most part okay. I agree that the precise date (21 November) isn't particularly important, but its again a matter of building context. I'd love to hear a third opinion though. Totalstgamer (talk) 20:48, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

You do realize that nothing in the lede mentions anything of the settler movement he championed as Israel's longest serving prime minister in the past 15 years? That is literally one of the most prominent things about his legacy. Instead we have countless of useless information about inner-Israeli politics, which are of no concern to the average international reader. Makeandtoss (talk) 21:50, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

That's a distinction you're making entirely on your own. Netanyahu isn't just (or arguably at all) a leader of the settler movement, he's also the longest serving prime minister in Israel's History, and has in many ways been the center of its politics since the nineties. To take the example of Al Jazzera ([2]). The article first mentions his status as Israel's longest-serving leader, followed by a rundown of his Domestic Political History (not too dissimilar from our very own lede), followed by a recap of his corruption trial, then getting to the article's main subject, with fairly minimal focus on his support for settlements, which is a fairly widely-held view on the Israeli Right. An even better example is this BBC article ([3]). Starts by mentioning his most recent comeback, then mentions his political longevity, his relationship with the Palestinians (without mention of the settler movement), then his corruption allegations, followed by another, very similar recap.

Wikipedia doesn't prioritize information based on its editors own analysis, but on the information conveyed by reliable sources, who have generally focused on Netanyahu's role in shaping domestic politics. I also don't see how the word 'useless' ties into all of this. Is information about his corruption trial useless? or his well-covered relationship with Trump? Even when we assign relevance, i'm not sure if we ever make any distinction based on usefulness. (we do, after all, have an entire page for Trump's nicknames). Totalstgamer (talk) 22:11, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes totally my own political hallucinations and completely unrelated to realities on the ground:

NYT article from 2015: Netanyahu and the Settlements:

• "An analysis of planning, construction, population and spending data over the past two decades shows that Mr. Netanyahu was an aggressive builder during his first premiership in the 1990s, when the West Bank settler population rose at roughly three times the total Israeli rate."
• "Mr. Netanyahu has taken several steps that make drawing a two-state map particularly problematic, and has declared: “I do not intend to evacuate any settlements.”"
• "But Mr. Netanyahu is also a focus of international ire because of the cumulative effect of decades of settlement growth"

This is only one example of a 2015 article. Makeandtoss (talk) 22:30, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm not saying its unrelated to reality, or that its not a fact. I'm saying its not lede material. You've posted a 2015 NYT article called "Netanyahu and the Settlements", AKA, specifically about them. That doesn't denote how comparatively relevant the information is.

WP:Lede refers to ledes as such: "The lead should stand on its own as a concise overview of the article's topic. It should identify the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies. The notability of the article's subject is usually established in the first few sentences. As in the body of the article itself, the emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable, published sources. Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article."

AKA, the lede should summarize the article and emphasize the most important points. Both the body of the article and reliable sources attempting to denote the relevance of information focus on Netanyahu's domestic agenda, relationship with trump, and his various indictments for corruption charges. That's not to imply that Coverage of Netanyahu's settlement policy is irrelevant, but rather, that the emphasis is put on those other details. For clarity, i never implied that you were lying, or presenting fabricated information, just that you were prioritizing sources, albeit in good faith, through your own judgement. Totalstgamer (talk) 22:37, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

NYT is one of the most prominent newspaper in the world. The fact that it dedicated an entire article to talk exclusively about one Israeli politician and his settlement policy, that is more than notable (disregarding the tens, possibly hundreds of sources talking about the same thing). The body is filled with references to the settlements, but indeed requires a dedicated subsection; a subsection is dedicated for integration of the Bank of China and not of his settlements policy! I have added a too long notice for the lede until some of these issues are resolved adequately. To be fair, the lede is really good, perfect in fact, until this sentence "From 1984–1988, Netanyahu was Permanent Representative of Israel to the United Nations." Afterwards it becomes just one huge mess. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:56, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

@Totalstgamer: I took the initiative to summarize a few sections of the lede. Please review these edits in good faith, as I do, for we all have a genuine interest in the betterment of this article. I think it looks much better now, the summerizations, and I look forward to some assistance from other editors as well. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:24, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

I fundamentally disagree with some of the changes you've made.

"Netanyahu began his political career being elected as the chairman of Likud in 1993, becoming Leader of the Opposition" - Factually incorrect, Netanyahu began his political career in 1988 after being elected to the Knesset and becoming Deputy Defense Minister. Maybe a term like "rose to prominence" would be more accurate.

"After the 1996 election, Netanyahu beat Shimon Peres, becoming the first Israeli prime minister elected directly by popular vote, and its youngest-ever." Mostly good, but i'd replace "after" with "in".

"and Netanyahu chose to retire from politics entirely, entering the private sector. Netanyahu later returned to politics, and served as Minister of Foreign Affairs and Minister of Finance, during the latter position initiating major reforms of the Israeli economy that led to growth. Netanyahu returned to the leadership of Likud in December 2005." This is where i think the issues start. This section should mention Ariel Sharon, since he's the man who both Succeeded and Subordinated Netanyahu in the 2000's. The formation of Kadima should undoubtedly be mentioned given its significance to Netanyahu's return to power. I do think the section mentioning Netanyahu's financial preformance is fairly notable. Similarly, his opposition to the disengagement plan should be mentioned.

"In December 2020, the coalition collapsed and a new election was held in March 2021. In his penultimate government, Netanyahu led Israel's response to the COVID-19 pandemic and the 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis. In June 2021, Netanyahu became opposition leader for the third time, before returning as Prime Minister again after the 2022 election." I think this specific shortening isn't very useful. I like the original phrasing more: "In December 2020, this coalition collapsed and a new election was held in March 2021. In his penultimate government, Netanyahu led Israel's response to the COVID-19 pandemic and the 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis. In June 2021, after Naftali Bennett formed a government with Yair Lapid, Netanyahu was removed from the premiership, becoming opposition leader for the third time, before returning as Prime Minister again after the 2022 election." Since the lede is supposed to be a summary, it should provide limited context for Netanyahu's actions, most especially more recent events which people, if you truly insist on focusing on reader interests, would legitimately care about.

I'm more than cool with what you added about the settlements. Its short, concise, and reasonable. As for the section on Netanyahu's criminal trials. "In 2019, Netanyahu was indicted on charges of breach of trust, bribery and fraud., following a three year investigation, Duedue to the indictment, Netanyahu is legally required to relinquishwhich he relinquished all of his ministry posts other than the prime minister position." I have one, mostly unrelated issue with this. I think it might need an update, since, for example, his Trial began in 2020, and Witness testimony began in 2021.

I don't think, frankly, you should have taken the initiative given this dispute. I think we should've worked the changes out in the talk section before implementing them. Regardless, I'm going to take the liberty of implementing most of my proposed changes, then we'll keep it as is until we agree on any additional changes that should be made. Totalstgamer (talk) 11:44, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Too late, it was the only way of forcing some momentum for change. Anyway, the point is not to cater to readers' interest, but to summarize the body. One quick example: a reader will be interested in knowing in the lede that Netanyahu is facing corruption charge; and not that he was accused in 2016, investigated in 2020, witness testimony in 2021. Really, no one cares; in the lede, at least. Same thing I would argue to how was Kadima formed, or why he resigned, etc.

I would propose the following restructuring:

First paragraph: a quick recap on notability - already present and perfect.

Second paragraph: a quick recap on education and career - already present and perfect (Born in Tel Aviv ==> ..was Permanent Representative of Israel to the United Nations.)

Third paragraph: a quick recap on political career starting from rose to prominence, highlighting timeline of roles in opposition and prime minister, etc. Needs major summerization.

Fourth paragraph: a quick recap on policies, legacy, etc. Needs rewriting away from mostly Trump content. Maybe economic aspect of being finance minister could be included here along with elaboration on his committment to free markets. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:54, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

First things first, you're not supposed to create momentum for change, you're supposed to discuss it in good faith and create consensus for your proposals. Secondly, i think the version that now exists is pretty much perfect. After all, if we want to summarize the body, we do need to provide basic context. I entirely agree on the 2016 date, and the way it was rephrased is good, but it does seem strange to cut an ongoing case off in 2019. As for the whole Kadima issue and why Netanyahu resigned, they're important pieces of information. I'm pretty sure the Al-Jazzera and BBC sources even outright mention them in their own summaries. The fourth paragraph should absolutely not be rewritten any further. Netanyahu's relationship with Donald Trump is firstly, and especially by your own standards, of interest to foreign readers. Secondly, its frequently mentioned in reliable sources, and Thirdly, it was a big deal in its own right during Trump's tenure. I don't think Netanyahu's financial policies need elaboration in the lead, since they're rarely given particular prominence, or are even that consistent. To Summarize, I think we should avoid making further changes on most fronts, and i'll revert any changes you make without consensus. I would like to discuss a way to 'update' the sentence about Netanyahu's trial. Totalstgamer (talk) 13:06, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, but if anything, the lede is worse than before now. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:47, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

@Makeandtoss: I entirely agree. @Zeex.rice: made some changes to the lede that i think made it longer than it should be. Zeex, why'd you expand the lede? Totalstgamer (talk) 11:00, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

I honestly don't see a reason to keep tag as of now. See the introduction of articles on Putin and Xi Jinping for further reference, also WP:LEAD: "...a lead section should contain no more than four well-composed paragraphs." This lead has literally four well-composed paragraphs.--Shuvam Koleyri (talk) 04:49, 5 January 2023 (UTC) Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/יניב_הורון - GizzyCatBella🍁 14:30, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

The paragraph are not well-composed, and they do not reflect article length; they often reflect unnecessary recounting of many details that are of no particular importance and could be removed from lede and placed in body. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:37, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 February 2023

new portrait File:Benjamin Netanyahu, February 2023.jpg 42.116.126.137 (talk) 06:38, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done ^Clyde!_Franklin! 00:51, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Proposed Main Section Expansion

The main section is a bit out of date, and also there's no mention of the Judical Reform having passed under the "Sixth Term" subsection. It could use an update like this:

"In his sxith term, Netanyahu championed the passage of highly controversial judicial reform, and responded the to 2023 Israel–Hamas war by forming an Israeli war cabinet." Noahop3000 (talk) 16:06, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Sabena 571 Hijacking

This article on Netanyahu states that he was shot in the shoulder during the Sabena 571 hijacking; however, the Sabena 571 article states that he was shot in the bicep:

"...the rescue of the hijacked Sabena Flight 571 in May 1972, in which he was shot in the shoulder."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabena_Flight_571

"The bullet passed through her and penetrated Netanyahu's bicep." 68.146.152.236 (talk) 04:56, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

early life and career

This is a minor point but I believe Netanyahu's degrees at Sloan and MIT should be MS and not SM. In fact, he has Master of Science in Management from Sloan School, which is what other universities call Master in Business Administration, or MBA.

technically, MIT styles its degrees as Sc.B., Sc.M., and Sc.D. "scab scum and scud", as it were.

and MSM degrees are completely diff from MBA degrees! some schools have both.

in any case, the MIT one is a standard MBA. both in name and in letter order.

they also offer some variants, such as a Masters of Finance (MFin) and Masters of Business Analytics (MBAn), but i see no evidence of any MSM there. 2601:19C:527F:7890:150B:9833:C577:7330 (talk) 07:13, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Hamas funding

There's no explicit discussion here of how he was funding Hamas to thwart the two state solution. This is discussed and cited elsewhere on Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas?wprov=sfti1#Israeli_policy_towards_Hamas Hovsepig (talk) 05:57, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 November 2023

Markis212 (talk) 00:16, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 00:24, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 November 2023 (2)

There is a spelling mistake and its current form is an offensive word in a language SHREK lll (talk) 14:58, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Can you specify where the spelling mistake is? Liu1126 (talk) 15:26, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 17:23, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 November 2023

Change "israeli prime minister" to "israeli prime minister and notorious war criminal"

82.3.196.157 (talk) 02:46, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done. Please read the WP:NPOV and WP:BLP. Netanyahu has not been convicted of any crimes, and Wikipedia never describes any living person as a criminal without a conviction. Cullen328 (talk) 02:53, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 November 2023

please note that his original surename was Mileikowsky but his father changed it to sound more indigenous 146.241.218.137 (talk) 11:17, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

It's already mentioned, read the article. Cannolis (talk) 19:22, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Outdated succession boxes

Isn't there anyone updating the succession boxes? He has been PM again for nearly 11 months, the Opposition Leader has been Lapid for the same amount of time. 140.213.44.244 (talk) 10:34, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Butcher of Gaza

as in other biographies of living persons, see Alexander Dvornikov, the inclusion of the moniker butcher of gaza should be included, the source to the moniker can be found here: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkeys-erdogan-says-israels-netanyahu-will-be-tried-war-criminal-2023-12-04/, if any coherence is left it should be included, or is it that we just demean people we don’t like? Juanriveranava (talk) 16:01, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 December 2023

LGBT portion of personal views states "LGBT persons" where it should be "LGBT people". The word "persons" does not exist. 24.202.14.159 (talk) 15:43, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: "persons" is a real english word, no reason to change it. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/persons RudolfRed (talk) 18:50, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Holocaust Revisionism?

This is covered in the article topic, but but perhaps the lead should also describe Netanyahu as a "Holocaust revisionist", who has falsely alleged Palestinian responsibility for the Holocaust, claiming Palestine "convinced" Hitler to exterminate the Jews. These facts and the resulting controversy surrounding Netanyahu's repeated claims are presented later in the article, so might be worth including in the lead, which is supposed to cover all controversies related to the article topic. 67.82.74.5 (talk) 17:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 December 2023

On 20 December 2023 Anshel Pfeffer Haaretz columnist declared Netanyahu will not succeed casting Biden the way he did to Obama https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-20/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-is-trying-to-cast-biden-as-a-second-obama-it-wont-work/0000018c-8722-dd96-a78f-ff7b93d00000 Itamara2000 (talk) 01:20, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 03:10, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Neutrality Issue

"is an Israeli terrorist and child killer". This certainly does not seem neutral and objective and ought to be removed. Joshua D. Muthi (talk) 13:02, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@Joshua D. Muthi That line is egregious how may I help strike it out? 2A06:C701:7338:5500:A0C3:45C4:F359:C9B8 (talk) 13:56, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I unfortunately don't have the power to edit this article but if you can please change it to "is an Israeli politician" like it was previously. Thank you. Joshua D. Muthi (talk) 15:14, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 December 2023

make it say hes cool Chumdung (talk) 03:18, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 17:27, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 January 2024

Change in name to include real name from Benjamin Netanyahu to Benjamin Mileikowsky “Netanyahu” at the start of the article. This is normally the case for all other people wiki writes about. 203.30.15.48 (talk) 11:58, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

•  Not done. Not the WP:COMMONNAME, no need to include his former surname in the lede. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 16:54, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Netanyahu's charges and corruption

I came here specifically to learn what kind of legal charges or investigations Netanyahu is facing and I find it kind of suss that the information is not available on his Wiki page. I have heard many times on the news, maybe as far back as five years, that he was caught in some scandal and there was prosecution. In the fall I heard that his trial achedule had been slowed because he claimed to need more time to oversee the "war" in Gaza. But I found no information here. This makes me think someone is doing a whitewash for Netanyahu. Eemstewart (talk) 04:24, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Spelling change request

I was unable to find an English definition for the word, "pediatricist". Following the link to the Herman Berkovits page, it looks like the word should have been pediatrist. Can someone fix please? Danindenver (talk) 08:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Request to improve IPA

The article states his name is pronounced [binjaˈmin netanˈjahu], but the audio following the IPA in this article sounds more like [bɛnjaˈmin].

The IPA currently in the article suggests his name is pronounced like “bean-ya mean” instead of “ben-ya mean”

I recommend changing the IPA in the article to [bɛnjaˈmin] for a more correct transcription of the name.

I am a Leaf (talk) 05:44, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Succession box needs updating.

Current term is not reflected.
Idyllic press (talk) 11:12, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 March 2024

no mention of genocide in Palenstine, not very factual. Will stop using this Biased "source" of information. 82.9.125.177 (talk) 01:17, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Goldsztajn (talk) 21:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@User:82.9.125.177 have you read the lead? I added it there the day after you commented this, it’s in the 4th paragraph along with other controversies. It can’t be in the 1st paragraph due to Wikipedia policy and it doesn’t fit in the 2nd and 3rd. (The bit referring to trump is about to be replaced with a paragraph on his politics, see “ICJ case” below. As a general rule, instead of complaining about bias you should go to correct it and be constructive

Alexanderkowal (talk) 21:20, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Transliteration in lead line

Overwrought and incorrect inline Hebrew romanisation. Never would a Hebrew shva be transliterated as a macronised vowel. Please change Binyāmīn Nētanyāhū to Binyamin Netanyahu in accordance with WP:HEBREW. —Biolongvistul (talk) 14:39, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:26, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

ICJ case

@Totalstgamer I disagree with your reverting of my edit.

The two sentences about the ICJ case deserved the position they had in the article. If a government you are leading gets a case filed against it in the highest international court, that is extremely notable and relevant due to its recency. Also, on mobile it came underneath the info box which is appropriate in my view (it shouldn’t be in the first paragraph).

The reason I created a new section under ‘Biography’ is because this article is ridiculously long. Very few people are going to read all of it. A lead should be short and concise. It makes sense to have a shorter summary of his life first and then go into more detail below.

Please address these points when you have the time or I will add my edit again. Alexanderkowal (talk) 01:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

In retrospect, I can live with it being in the shorter version among context. Alexanderkowal (talk) 01:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps change the section to ‘Biography (summary)’ Alexanderkowal (talk) 01:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Beginning with the ICJ Sentence, the ICJ case is notable, hence its inclusion in the lede, but whether its more notable than Netanyahu's early life, political career and criminal indictments remains to be seen. If the lead is to be seen as a concise telling of the article, the location of content should be based on context more than our determination of notability. As for the creation of the new section, the article is Gigantic, and the general rule with leads as i remember it is roughly four paragraphs. We can without a doubt discuss a shortened lead (As has been done several times over the last few years), but this would include striking out parts of existing paragraphs rather than creating another section within the article.

Please do not alter the article any further until a consensus has been reached. Totalstgamer (talk) 01:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Totalstgamer I agree with your moving of the ICJ case, if his government were convicted then I would expect it to be in the first paragraph.

I do disagree with the length of the lead, I think it would be better organised into a new section called ‘Biography (summary)’. The four paragraphs are too long imo. I haven’t seen another article with such a long lead, usually a paragraph is two sentences. Alexanderkowal (talk) 01:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

They do exist though, especially for controversial individuals. Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Silvio Berlusconi, Boris Johnson to name a few people with four paragraphs, some longer and some shorter than Netanyahu's. Regardless, Any removals need to be made on the basis that the information is plain irrelevant, which doesn't really happen in this lead imo (since we cut that out a while ago). Feel free to propose a revised version and we'll discuss it tomorrow. Regardless, don't alter the lead until then.

Also, the government being convicted wouldn't automatically move it to first-paragraph status, since that's reserved for basic biographical details and it wouldn't necessarily fit with the flow of the lead Totalstgamer (talk) 01:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Totalstgamer I’m not saying we should remove any information, I’m saying we should move it to a new section and call it ‘Biography (summary)’, allowing the actual lead to be expanded, although given the convention I suppose the status quo is acceptable Alexanderkowal (talk) 02:12, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I think the lead should just be the first paragraph plus a second paragraph on his politics that is factual and balanced (not done by me, I’d be too biased) Alexanderkowal (talk) 03:21, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

There's no practical reason to do that though. The lead's size is appropriate for the Article's, and there's no real reason to introduce a new section. I say we keep the status quo Totalstgamer (talk) 12:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Totalstgamer I really think the first half of the paragraph on his relationship with Trump should be relegated to lower down in the article, and in its place have a paragraph on his politics and brand of Zionism which contrasts the polarising views people have of him. This would segue nicely into the bit summarising controversies. Alexanderkowal (talk) 13:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

The reason I say this is that the status quo means people are left to make assumptions on his politics based on his relationship to trump Alexanderkowal (talk) 13:18, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I accept that the length of the lead is conventional Alexanderkowal (talk) 13:17, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I think the part of the lead about Netanyahu's views and relationships is kind of poorly structured tbf. His relationship with Trump is probably not that important and his general views + criminal indictments matter more. I don't really want to write a new paragraph from scratch but id love to hear how you think it could be revised. Totalstgamer (talk) 14:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Totalstgamer I think “Netanyahu… Arab states.” should be scrapped or relegated to further down. In its place perhaps start with how his supporters see him, contrasted with how opponents see him, followed by a neutral sentence on his brand of zionism. This will then segue nicely into the criticisms on settlers that’s there already in my opinion Alexanderkowal (talk) 14:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I think that's a good idea. Feel free to make those changes and i'll give my input Totalstgamer (talk) 15:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Totalstgamer I’m not really knowledgable about Israeli politics and society, I also think I’d struggle to park my bias. Do you feel able to write it? Alexanderkowal (talk) 15:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I'll write it within the next few days if i have time. Totalstgamer (talk) 17:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Alexanderkowal (talk) 17:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Mother's name?

How come Tzila Segal is not listed as mother in the biographical on the right? Blueberryfiddles (talk) 22:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 April 2024

Change ..."raised in Jerusalem and Philadelphia..." to "...raised in Philadelphia..".

One cannot be raised in two different places halfway across the world in the first 19 years of their life. He was raised in Philadelphia before going to Tel Aviv to join the IDF.

Also please site the reference for his birthplace. There is no objective evidence showing he was born in Tel Aviv. 45.48.132.107 (talk) 07:44, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Kindly provide sources to establish the reason to change the subject. ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️^{(🗨️ ● ✉️ ● 📔)} 17:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Lede

Please do not remove the lede too long tag before addressing this issue. Clearly, the lede is overdetailed and needs a good trim. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:40, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Grammar improvement

You said: "him for imprisoning journalists in a tweet". Surely, that should read: "him in a tweet for imprisoning journalists" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.114.80.209 (talk) 20:47, 22 May 2024 (UTC)