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Reviewer: Steelkamp (talk · contribs) 12:05, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I saw this on Wikipedia:WikiProject Western Australia/Article alerts, and decided I should review this because I have similarly been improving articles on WA politicians recently. Steelkamp (talk) 12:05, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Given Small's notability derives solely from his position as a senator, I'm not sure that Criteria 3 can really be met with only two paragraphs on his term in office, one of which is simply a list of committee positions. Possibly this could be expanded with information about his political views, factional alignment, etc. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 13:42, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I understand your concern and I do agree, but I would like to point out he's still a junior politician and hasn't been very "out there". He's stuck to the party line and hasn't had a lot of individual contributions to policy yet. I think Steelkamp's recommendations below will go a long way to fixing that. 5225C (talk • contributions) 04:34, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good article criteria

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Criteria 1

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Well written

  • Since 2009, Small volunteered as an ambulance driver and then as a volunteer development officer with St John Ambulance Australia. From 2005 until 2015, Ben was also a skipper, trainee officer and committee member of Bunbury Sea Rescue.[5] – swap these sentences around. The one that starts with an earlier year should go first. Steelkamp (talk) 16:45, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Since 2009, Small volunteered as an ambulance driver and then as a volunteer development officer with St John Ambulance Australia. The grammar of this sentence needs to be worked on. Steelkamp (talk) 16:45, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Finance minister Mathias Cormann announced his retirement from politics in July 2020 – the most relevant information is that Mathias Cormann was a member of the Australian Senate for Western Australia, as that was the position that Small was replacing Cormann as. Small wasn't becoming finance minister. Cormann being finance minister can be mentioned in a following sentence. Steelkamp (talk) 16:45, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

More to come.

  • Ok, I'm satisfied that the article is written well enough for GA. If you ever choose to improve the article further, then there are some parts that could use further improvement. Steelkamp (talk) 14:08, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria 2

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Verifiable with no original research

Criteria 3

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Broad in its coverage

  • His political beliefs should be mentioned. Stuff such as his beliefs on gender quotas,[1] support for nuclear power.[2] Assuming you are a resident of Western Australia, you can sign up to the state library online and then look at past newspapers for free. Steelkamp (talk) 16:45, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Partly done, I've added the content from the two sources you've suggested but there isn't much detail on these positions and it seems a bit clumsy to me. I've had a look through The West Australian and The Australian and there might be a little bit more to add though. 5225C (talk • contributions) 05:37, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • At this point I'll say it's done, I think any more and we'll be straying into the weeds a bit. Definetely will look to expand the content on his support for small business though. 5225C (talk • contributions) 08:23, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

More to come.

  • The article discusses more how he got into the marine industry than it does how he got into the Sea Rescue cause, and I doubt the relevancy of that anecdote to the article as a whole. However, that article has been useful for expanding on his role as a volunteer ambulance training officer and his political views. 5225C (talk • contributions) 11:51, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ "WA pollies against gender quotas". The West Australian. 3 April 2021. p. 13.
  2. ^ "Zeroing in on energy plan". The West Australian. 17 September 2021. p. 4.
  3. ^ "Pub owner makes his Senate bid". The West Australian. 26 September 2020. p. 35.
  4. ^ "Bridge to a new Perth". The West Australian. 6 July 2021. p. 14.
  5. ^ "Brand Perth's 50 People Set To Change The City". The West Australian. 8 July 2021. p. 10.
  • As this is a short article, for anyone who questions this review in the future, here is the sources I checked to ensure the article is broad in coverage:
    • I checked the first several pages of google, and google news.
    • I checked every news story mentioning Ben Small on WAtoday, ABC News and The West Australian, using the search functions on those sites.
    • I checked past issues of The West Australian through online access with the State Library of Western Australia.
    • I checked his biography on the parliament website.
    • I read his first speech.
  • Having checked all of those sources, I am satisfied the article is broad in coverage. There is only so much you can write about for a senator who has only been a senator for 1 year, and who is not high profile or controversial. Steelkamp (talk) 04:11, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria 4

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Neutral

Criteria 5

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Stable

Criteria 6

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Illustrated, if possible

  • I am worried about the copyright to the image on the page. Commons says the image was taken from a Youtube video with a creative commons licence. The Youtube channel is not an official Parliament channel, but the camera appears to be an official parliament camera. Under what authority can that Youtube channel claim that video is creative commons licenced? Can you find out whether Parliament has issued that video under a creative commons licence. Steelkamp (talk) 12:28, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree that that is a concern. I didn't add the photo personally so I am not familiar with its path from Parliament camera to the article. As best as I can tell, Parliament does not explicitly license their A/V media, and their website simply states "With the exception of the Commonwealth Coat of Arms and where otherwise noted, all material presented on this website is provided under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 Australia licence." Although I get the impression it's covered by some sort of Creative Commons license, I can't be sure, so perhaps it's best to remove it until a replacement can be found (which doesn't look like an easy task). 5225C (talk • contributions) 12:48, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General comments

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Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by DanCherek (talk) 18:25, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Created by 5225C (talk). Self-nominated at 04:35, 17 January 2022 (UTC).[reply]

  • Article was promoted to GA recently enough and the hook is certainly interesting and cobbled together using multiple bits of the article that are cited inline (although I can't get past the paywall for most of them). No copyvio detected. QPQ done. I might also suggest reordering the diff jobs alphabetically, just for aesthetic purposes. Otherwise, this looks good to go! PS, there seems to be a wonky ref (biznews) at the moment but since it's an additional ref I think it's safe to remove it. Cheers, Kingoflettuce (talk) 05:49, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you! All the jobs should be in the Farm Weekly article which doesn't come up as paywalled for me, and the biznews ref has been fixed by AnomieBOT. If reordered, the hook would read:
... that Australian Senator Ben Small had been an ambulance trainer, bar owner, logistician, paramedic, and ship's officer before entering politics?
I prefer it as is because it's roughly chronological, but up to you. 5225C (talk • contributions) 08:24, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Promoting ALT0 to Prep 3. DanCherek (talk) 18:25, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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