Talk:Thing (comics)

Recent issue?

Can someone say exactly *which* issue was this "recent issue" of FF?

(People, seriously, this is the second time I stumble over a "recently" just tonight... dates, folks, dates! Remember, this will be here in 10 and 20 and 100 years (one can hope ;-)) Jae 02:25, Apr 2, 2004 (UTC)

I am fairly (but not completely) that the issue is #56 (of the series started in 1997). Here is the MHC link - http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=fullsize&issue=30933846944%2056 Luis Dantas 06:36, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Yup. - SoM 19:28, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

To say nothing of "recent interviews." Kirby's been dead for some time, so they can't be that recent. Snowspinner Apr 18, 2004

Ben Grimm's Jewishness?

Is Ben Grimm's Jewishness religious or cultural? 惑乱 分からん 19:32, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Or racial, for that matter.

See this quite enlightening article on this very topic: Beliefnet: "Comic Faith: The Thing's Religion Revealed" (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/113/story_11303_1.html) -- Jalabi99 03:58, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

He's Jewish in every sense of the word, but not very devout or pious. As he's leaving the USA because of the Civil War, will he go to Israel? Spider-man once teamed up with Israeli agents. Das Baz 20:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Sue Richards and her brother Johnny Storm have also left Reed (Civil War #4)and have joined the Rebels. Reed is left all alone of the group. Will he recruit three replacements or go solo? Das Baz 15:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Instead of going to Israel, Ben decided to move to Paris, France. He's Jewish, but no Zionist. Das Baz 17:06, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I guess it is a good thing that the mutations are due to an accident. Otherwise they would have needed a belt sander for the bris. Sorry. I could not resist. Slavlin 22:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC) LOL. Das Baz, aka Erudil 18:59, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Wolverine vs. The Thing

I seem to recall an old comic, back during the 1990's, where the two heroes did battle. It ended with Grimm's face being horribly disfigured, forcing him to wear an iron mask for some time. I don't recall how this eventually reversed or what more happened in this situation. Can anyone provide comic information or details for a possible Wiki inclusion? --AWF

Uhmmm, The Thing isn't exactly a supermodel to start with. That "Iron mask" thing sounds more like Doctor Doom to me, but I'm passing on the request... 惑乱 分からん 22:48, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't remember enough about it to write up personally, but I DO know what you're talking about. For some reason they fought, and Logan entered a berserker fury and slashed him full force across the face, drawing deep furrows across his face. That's why he wore the iron mask for a time. His face may not win any prizes now, but the injury was pretty bad and he looked worse than normal. I remember most clearly that Logan snapped out of it and tried to see if he was ok, and Ben backhanded him through one or two buildings. Onikage725 14:35, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

It was 'Fantastic Four' #374. The "New Fantastic Four" -- Spider-Man, Ghost Rider, Wolverine, and the Hulk -- re-formed to arrest Johnny Storm, who had lost control of his supernova powers and caused some major damage (possibly some deaths). This led to a conflict between the Old and New Fantastic Four. I don't remember why Wolverine was fighting The Thing, as opposed to The Hulk (as was traditional), but he did indeed go into a berzerker rage over something and slash Ben across the face. Ben began wearing an iron mask [it looked almost exactly like Iron Man's, only a different color; not like Doom's], for several years (publishing time) while it healed. The interesting aspect was that they kept his face in shadows (though other characters saw it) for most of this time, building the "What's wrong with his face?" question for I'd estimate two years, until The Thing had a rematch with Wolverine in issue #395. At that point, they showed him with his mask off, and it looked really bad. [I might be wrong about the timing; the cover of #395 shows him with the mask off already, so the reveal may have been earlier.] I think the mask was partially for protection as well, as the healing-scar seemed much more vulnerable than his rocky hide usually was; it was all pink and gooey. I believe he forgave Wolverine. I think it healed itself pretty quickly, but it's possible that it didn't really heal until the Heroes Reborn/Heroes Return stuff ended. I feel like his face was healed prior to that, though, by the time Reed came back to life.

The Thing's scar was healed by Hyperstorm in FF #409. (It's cool having all those comics on DVD-ROM so you can check these things!) 81.31.97.129 (talk) 00:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

My question: How is there nothing about The Hulk in this article? The Hulk and The Thing have had many grudge matches, yet the only mention of them fighting is alternate universe stuff. 64.95.27.5 20:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)sean

My recollection is that by about early to mid 1994 the Thing was appearing without his helmet and with the wound have settled down as scars. Then in #409 the scars were completely healed by Hyperstorm using his powers, in order to constantly remind Ben of something or other. Timrollpickering (talk) 19:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

strength level

The Thing is now capable of at least Class 100 strength - check en.marveldatase.com. It's a site that has very detailed info about just about Marvel character there is. Makes sense that by now he can do it; everybody else in Marvel is getting more powerful. He should be in the top 10 in terms of strength. Jack Black —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.216.145.22 (talk) 13:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I remember seeing the things stregnth level to be Class 85 - the ability to press 85 tons. The page says 100 but i am not 100% sure.

The Thing can't lift in excess of 100 tons. I'm about to look over the powers and abilities section to see just how much in there is opinion and how much is actual accepted canon. Officially, he can lift 85 tons. Odin's Beard

Doesn't he have a 100 ton training weight?

I dunno about the 100 ton training weight, it's possible. But, according to everything I've read, the Thing can lift, lift as in military press, about 85 tons. Now, as far as bench press goes, I'm sure he could bench press over 100 tons. But, since Marvel measures strength by the amount of weight a character can lift above his or her head with their arms fully extended, hence military press, I'm going by 85 tons. I think that the Ultimate Thing is listed at being able to lift in excess of 100 tons. Odin's Beard

I could military press about 160, IIRC, about the time I could bench press 260. And the military press is sitting. IIRC, technically the Marvel standard is "standing press", in which he's standing and just pushes the weight up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.227.123.30 (talk) 19:40, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah that's true, they do. I remember the old compendiums measuring in terms of "lift/press." Onikage725 01:37, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

In the article, it's been mentioned that the Thing has been seen to lift weights greater than 100 tons while exercising. How was he lifting the weight? Was it military press, squat, bench press or what?Odin's Beard 00:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Why is the 100 ton level again listed? As of 2005 Marvel still puts his strength level at 85 tons. Am I missing something? Scrapper 19:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)Scrapper

I've removed this sentence: "Through, more intense training, The Thing is now capable of lifting roughly 100 tons over his head." It seems to be controversial so I suggest that it remain deleted unless a solid source can be provided for it. Metamagician3000 04:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

How strong was he when he was mutated into that spikey form? Bluecatcinema 12:48, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

House of M

Shouldn't something be written about the House of M in the alternat versions section. I personaly do not know what happened, but I'm sure something must have. Can someone please write something about the House of M.

"The Amazing Guys"

Is there any kind of verification or proof to back up this section? It sounds silly and makes me wonder if someone's playing a joke. I'd like to delete it if no one can provide references to it actually exisiting. Sprngpilot 00:09, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm suspicious of it as well. I've never heard of it, and it sounds like something that would be well known considering all of the various characters involved with it. It's not a video game, I'm pretty sure that it's not an animated show, and I don't believe it's a comic. I think it's bogus. I'm deleting it until it's validity can be verified. Odin's Beard 00:23, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Height

How tall is Thing? Son of Kong

Depends upon which version of the Thing you're curious about. In the Earth-616 continuity, which is the maintream Marvel Universe, he's 6'0" and weighs 500 pounds. The Ultimate Marvel version of Ben is 7'5" and weighs 1,650 pounds. Odin's Beard 00:35, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

In the movies, where he is played by Michael Chiklis, Benjamin appears to be of normal average human height, perhaps 5'8" or so. Das Baz, aka Erudil 18:49, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Powers and Abilities

I did a rewrite for the P and A section. I thought it looked familiar and I found an old issue of the OHOTMU the other night. The previous writing of the section, at least the vast majority of it, was taken word for word out of the OHOTMU. I also removed some info that sounded very much like POV. I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers, and if I have then I apologize in advance. I'm no expert on Wikipedia's policies, sometimes they're a pain, but I'm pretty sure that POV and stuff taken right out of the OHOTMU is prohibited from inclusion. Odin's Beard 00:00, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Character background

This needs to be incorporated into the article, which only relates the current version of his story: Fantastic Four #11 (Feb, 1963) has the characters narrating their pre-cosmic ray-ified lives "to the fans" in a sequence that seems to break the fourth wall—Ben and Reed first meet as roommates at "State U," which Ben attended on a football scholarship and went "All-American" (whatever that means, football fans). Shortly after graduation, Ben becomes a "Marine fighter ace" during WWII, flying over Okinawa and Guadalcanal. Reed says "You were the hero of every American who could read a paper, Ben!" Reed is depicted as an OSS officer on the front lines during the war, btw, thinking of Sue at home. This might be trivia for a footnote depending on how quickly they changed all this (probably quickly, because either Sue was pushing forty in '63, or Reed coped with his front line duties through pedophiliac fantasies), but it needs to be documented as part of the character's history. Postdlf 03:34, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 09:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Blackbeard

Blackbeard the pirate? Is that for real? --KeypadSDM 13:08, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes it is actually. I remember reading something about it, maybe out of an old OHOTMU entry. I'm not really familiar with the storyline, but it involved time travel and all that kind of stuff. Odin's Beard 00:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

It happened in Fantastic Four #5 (http://www.marvelmasterworks.com/ff/ff005.html). Dr. Doom takes Sue hostage and sends the rest of the FF back in time to retrieve Blackbeard's treasure. Disguised in a black beard and eye patch Ben inadvertently becomes Blackbeard. It's really actually very silly and was re-told in the first cartoon series, abliet with Herbie. --AGiES001 15:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Blurred Picture

What is with the picture from the 2006 animated series? If we need a picture from that cartoon shouldn't we get one that's a bit more focused? The one we have now is much to blurry to work effectively for this article. --208.127.64.127 19:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Speed

Ok I would like to put to rest this argument over the Thing having superhuman speed. Personally I agree that Ben Grimm has superhuman speed, just obviously not in the league of beings such as Quicksilver or Flash. His combination of superhuman stamina and endurance show this.

It appears to me to be mostly anon users who continue to change the hero box over this. Unfornunetly on that side I havent seen a very good argument to for there support. My assumption is that they see the Thing as being big and heavy and think of Quicksilver or the like and think that the speed cant be right.

If we can come to an agreement and maybe make a note for future reference it maybe will make things easier. Just an idea. Thefro552 21:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I believe that there are some editors that are judging the Thing's speed by comparing him with characters that are well known for their primary superhuman ability being superhuman speed. Just because the Thing isn't portrayed at being able to move so quickly that he appears as a blur means nothing. For instance, say for the sake of argument that the fastest that the finest human athlete can run is 35 miles per hour, in the Marvel Universe. If the Thing is able to run faster than that, then he is superhumanly fast. Doesn't matter if he can run 40 mph or 400 mph because the issue isn't whether or not he's a world class speedster. In the original versions of the OHOTMU, his speed is listed as "Enhanced Human", which is considered a lower level of superhuman. Even though OHOTMU stats are against policy, the information provided on the character regarding his powers can't be ignored simply because it might conflict with someone's personal interpretation of a character. If there's a canon source that retcons the Thing's speed, providing it will end the conflict altogether. However, constantly removing it from the superhero box without any explanation just looks like POV. Odin's Beard 00:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

But guys I have an old comic where Spider-man and The Thing team up. They are chasing a magician through Central Park, and Spidey goes, "Come on Ben, hurry up". The Thing is lumbering behind and he yells out to Spidey "Alright already, this chassis aint' exactly built for speed you know". Now personally I don't really care what's put up there, but I will admit the constant changing back and forth is getting annoying. I've only added video game tidbits to that page, but it seems every day there is a change with people adding and removing the word 'speed".Giantdevilfish 01:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Was the comic published before or after the first version of the OHOTMU was published? If it was published before, then the addition of the Thing's speed was probably retconned. If it was published afterward, then it could be an example of the OHOTMU's claim being retconned.Odin's Beard 01:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the OHOTMU is, but this is the comic I'm talking about. http://www.samruby.com/OtherTitles/FantasticFour/marveltwoinone090.htm Giantdevilfish 01:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

The OHOTMU is short for the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe. Wikipedia has an article on it. Basically, it provides much of the same information as Wikipedia does. All of the general info on the characters can be pieced together from all the various regular monthly comics that Marvel has put out over the decades. However, included in the OHOTMU are vital statistics and various stats used to measure a character's physical, mental, and energy manipulative capabilities. These stats are found only within the OHOTMU or by other publications with Marvel's permission. We don't include the vital or power stats in the article because they'd be taken directly from the OHOTMU, which violates copyright. Even if someone saw them on a website and decided to add them, then whoever placed them on the website would have gotten them from the OHOTMU to begin with. Anyhow, sorry I've rambled on. The Thing is listed in Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe as possessing some degree of superhuman speed. It doesn't specify the exact level, only that he possesses it. Odin's Beard 00:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Giantdevilfish, you do provide a good source, but I think Ben's statement needs to be taken in context. He could simply mean that he can't keep up with Spidey. I'd like to see a citation that clearly says he's moving faster than a normal human or, alternatively, one saying he can't. Since this is comics, I wouldn't be surprised if both exist :) CovenantD 20:38, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Ehh, if the OHOTMU says it, okay, that's one thing (I'll believe it when I see it, btw...I have to track that down). But as a lifelong FF reader approaching middle-age, I can't think of a single instance where Ben Grimm is clearly moving, or is said to be moving, appreciably faster than a normal human being. Ford MF 21:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the OHOTMU, it looks like "his reflexes have remained at their above average human levels despite his greater mass." Not so much super-speed, methinks. --mordicai. 15:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

And even though that's from an older hardcopy edition of OHOTMU, the Thing's entry on Marvel's website reproduces the text pretty closely. Additionally: "His reflexes are above-average by human standards despite his immense mass, and he retains a reasonable level of agility and dexterity." A definitive NO on super-speed, I think. Ford MF 15:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Consider three things:

- The Thing is incredibly strong, so it isn't like a 500 lb. man trying to sprint--500 lbs. to him is like a pound to us.

- His body doesn't fatigue.

- Once 500 lbs. gets moving forward, it moves a lot quicker down a hill than a 10 lb. object (unless I fail at science, quite possible).

That fail would be correct. :) Galileo's experiment showing heavy things fall at the same rate as light things wasn't actually done by dropping weights off the Leaning Tower of Pisa. Rather, he rolled weights down an incline. I would like to add, however, that he has hurled a loaded, flaming tanker a half mile into a river. That requires speed, not just strength -- the fastest fastball a human throws at over 100 mph won't go anywhere near that distance. So in theory he should be able to do superjumps like the Hulk, if not quite so far. So comic physics is vastly inconsistent, surprise, surprise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.227.123.30 (talk) 19:45, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Those 3 things combined = superhuman speed. 192.249.47.11 20:43, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Protection

Given the amount of vandalism that occurs in this article, some protection is certainly required. Most of the vandalism is committed by anonymous users that couldn't care less about Wikipedia policy and insist on having the article reflect their own personal view and interpretation of the character, which includes removing information without explanation or justification.Odin's Beard 01:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the history, I do not see enough clear vandalism to justify protection. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 05:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Publication history

I think this more properly belongs after Powers and Abilities (i.e. right before Alternate versions). Right now it's the first thing you hit after the lead, and as such I think it's kind of misplaced. What should happen after the lead and table of contents is the Fictional character history.

Would anyone have any objections against me moving it? Or arguments for the soundness of its current placement? Ford MF 21:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, since this went a week without comment, I'm going to assume there are no arguments against and go ahead and move the section. Ford MF 07:33, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't particularly care where it's placed, but the consensus among other articles does seem to be: Publication history; Fictional character biography; Abilities and Equipment; etc. 204.153.84.10 13:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Ms. Thing

I just read FF#334 and Ben was in human form while he was with a girl named Sharron who had the powers of the Thing, any idea what is going on?Phoenix741 02:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Check out the Sharon Ventura article, should give you some more insight. She's a bit of an obscure character and most people just refer to her as the She-Thing.Odin's Beard 02:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

ok, just wondering why she is not mentioned here, or the fact that the article dose not mention Ben being a human, i mean on earth.Phoenix741 02:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Ultimate Blue Thing

Is there a picture of the Thing in his new, blue form?

The Thing's Skin

What type of rock resembles or closely matches the Thing's rock-like skin? - RVDDP2501 11:19, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought his skin was really thick epithelial tissues, just thick skin anx not actually rock.? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.222.184.234 (talk) 03:26, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Jack Kirby originally had skin of The Thing to look like a “dinosaur” meaning he was meant to look like a lizard man, but different inkers would later change it to look more rock like. B ThatNerdyGuy (talk) 02:14, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 18:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC) --Operation Ben Grimm-- There is an issue of Captain Savage and his Leatherneck Raiders entitled Operation:Ben Grimm which details the rescue of Marine Aviator named Ben Grim which predates Fantastic Four number 1 why is this not mentioned as Ben Grimm's first appearance? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthewbrownny (talk • contribs) 23:53, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Ult. Thing

Just letting you know that I edited the bit about the Thing in Ult. Power. It was obviously written by some one who's very Thing bias. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.125.84 (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Necessity of Catchphrases Section

Wouldn't this be better suited to a Wikiquote page on the Fantastic Four? I don't see how this a list of catchphrases, some of which haven't been used for decades, is relevant to an encyclopedic entry.Jet Alone (talk) 07:47, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

The Thing's chemical composition.

primarily the thing's skin is composed of mafic minerals matter. (mainly consisting of quartz) The thing has an obvious cleavage and is quite attractive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.250.120.28 (talk) 04:56, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

question

in the biography sectionn it said he joined the marine corp. tthen a few lines down it says he was in the air force. which is it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.117.219.185 (talk) 19:10, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Ben Grimm and X-Factor

Not too long ago (2009-2010), Ben teamed up with X-Factor and was accidentally teleported to Latveria. He teamed up with Monet and Shatterstar and the 3 of them went off to demolish Doom Castle and search for Sue Richards. Please, somebody add some information about this - including when and how this adventure ended. Thank you. Das Baz, aka Erudil 18:58, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Thing or The Thing?

Article name is Thing, which is lectio difficilior potior. Thereafter he's referred to as the Thing, which I think is likely to be incorrect: if the article is part of his name it should be The Thing, and if it is not there should be no article at all, per the name of the article. Spicemix (talk) 00:38, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Non-sentence-initial typography: "Thing" or "The Thing" or "the Thing"?

In the first paragraph of the article, "The" in "The [sic] Thing" is capitalized even when it doesn't start a sentence. Later in the article, "the" in "the [sic] Thing" is lower-case when not in sentence-initial position. Which typography is correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.218.200.45 (talk) 12:21, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

"In the 21st century" problem

This section jumps in and out of universe. There is talk about what is going on with the character and then talks about the movie. It sounds like in-universe there was a FF movie that made Ben popular. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bofum (talk • contribs) 21:19, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Is Thing super humanly durable?

DangerousGame has suggested the category:Fictional characters with superhuman durability, I think its a different ability from super human strength. Is The Thing somewhat more durable than a regular person because he is made out of rocks, cars don't seem to do much nor do bullets? CensoredScribe (talk) 16:09, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Alicia and Johnny

Hello. I am on a random citation hunt. While searching for citation for this statement, I found it to be unnecessary: "The relationship between Alicia and Johnny was vehemently disliked by many fans."

This statement doesn't appear to be true from an observer/non-fan point of view. After reading a couple of forum messages (from http://www.byrnerobotics.com and http://www.supermegamonkey.net,) I don't get the impression that it is hated much. Example, there was one post who was okay with the relationship, but disliked the marriage. More fans seem to dislike the ret-con. I think the statement should either be deleted or the word "vehemently." Ersity8 (talk) 00:37, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Removal from Marvel Heroes

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Requested move 2 January 2021

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move to Ben Grimm (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 08:52, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

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Thing (comics) → Thing (Marvel Comics) – per WP:NCCDAB NeoBatfreak (talk) 07:03, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

• Support, but I'd be tempted to more strongly endorse the WP:NATURALDISAMBIG option of "Ben Grimm". Particularly in more modern media, the tendency is to refer to this character by his name. -- Netoholic @ 11:44, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
• Move to Ben Grimm as first choice; if this is not done, then I support the proposed move as a second choice. BD2412 T 17:28, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Note: I have now proposed at Talk:Mister Fantastic#Requested move 3 January 2021 to move the other Fantastic Four team members to their "given name" titles. BD2412 T 17:37, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
  • How about Thing (Ben Grimm) — Preceding unsigned comment added by NeoBatfreak (talk • contribs)
    • Ben Grimm alone would be more concise. BD2412 T 04:55, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
      • If the other move succeeds this should be an easy followup.--65.92.160.124 (talk) 07:07, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
• Support Ben Grimm. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 19:17, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
• Note: "Move to Ben Grimm" is not this discussion. That's a separate discussion. This is about whether to move "Thing (character) to "Thing (Marvel Comics)". If the RfC originator wants to close this and open up that separate discussion then he or she should do that.--Tenebrae (talk) 14:02, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I may be wrong I’m not aware of any rule stating that if another possibility comes up in a naming discussion it’s off the table if it wasn’t mentioned by the person it’s the one that started the discussion. Or to put it another way a potential consensus to use Ben Grimm shouldn’t be discounted simply because the person that initiated the request didn’t mention it. If such a rule actually does exist can someone please post where it’s mentioned?--65.92.160.124 (talk) 04:22, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

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Thing (Marvel Comics) or the Thing (character) per Wp:Commonname

I noticed the page move was moved to Ben Grimm (by an unofficial consensus if you ask me). There is a few issues with that. Ben Grimm is known at primarily and commonly as the Thing. From the beginning and even still. He didn’t really even use a different one. So I think Wp:commonname applies here. Also (if that ain’t bad enough) keep in mind there is an different adaption of the Thing superhero alias by Hanna-Barbera where a kid uses that alias by using a ring.Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 17:34, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

I think this would like renaming Spider-Man to Peter Parker. Also the manual of style of comics say not to do this: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Comics Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 17:44, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Change the Photo?

Can we make the photograph a Jack Kirby piece. B ThatNerdyGuy (talk) 21:02, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Relationships

The Relationships section is missing mention that he’s now married with two adopted kids. Being a husband and a father seem significant enough to be included on his wiki page. 65.25.210.155 (talk) 13:05, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Ben Grimm

why is that the article name? every other member of the team goes by their superhero name. BigDawg3 (talk) 16:46, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

@User:BigDawg3: You can weigh in on this, if you want, on the requested move below. —Lowellian (reply) 04:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Requestes move

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 15:25, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

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Ben Grimm → Thing (comics) – Similar to what the situation of Mr. Fantastic, "Thing" was the original name of the article and where the article was located for years. User:Lowellian gave the best reasons on why it should be change. And the same reasoning that was applied for Mr. Fantastic should be apply here.

His examples:

• his teammates: Invisible Woman, not "Susan Storm"; Human Torch, not "Johnny Storm"; Thing is currently at "Ben Grimm", but that was only moved there together with that aforementioned 2021 move which again, should have been closed as no consensus

• with his enemies: Doctor Doom, not "Victor von Doom"; Mole Man, not "Harvey Rupert Elder"; Puppet Master (Marvel Comics), not "Phillip Masters"; Galactus, not "Galan"

• with the majority of Marvel superhero articles: Iron Man, not "Tony Stark"; Captain America, not "Steve Rogers"; Spider-Man, not "Peter Parker"

• with the majority of superhero articles, even those outside Marvel: Superman, not "Clark Kent"; Batman, not "Bruce Wayne"; Wonder Woman, not "Diana Prince"; Spawn (character), not "Al Simmons"

Ziggy Coltrane (talk) 19:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. KingArti (talk) 22:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Support, as per nom, the aforementioned articles being Invisible Woman instead of Sue Storm, and Human Torch instead of Johnny Storm call for consistency. Also, "the Thing" is arguably more of a common name than "Ben Grimm", especially for casual viewers who aren't as familiar with the comics or films. —Mjks28 (talk) 03:41, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support. I will also add that Wikipedia:Naming conventions (comics) says to use the common name, and that the Thing, not Ben Grimm, is the common name for this character. Collectibles and merchandise almost invariably call him the Thing rather than Ben Grimm. Just do a search for the Thing or Ben Grimm toys on Amazon or Google, and you will see they virtually always call him the Thing on the box, not Ben Grimm. —Lowellian (reply) 04:51, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Support, I very much agree. more people know him as the thing instead of “ben grimm” BigDawg3 (talk) 15:22, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Even though it's common and open knowledge that his real name is Ben Grimm, the Common Name for this character is still "The Thing". JIP | Talk 19:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support. The name on the comics' cover is always The Thing. The comic book character is The Thing.OscarFercho (talk) 05:32, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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