Talk:Bella Goth/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: Boneless Pizza! (talk · contribs) Cukie Gherkin (talk · contribs) 06:23, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Pokelego999 (talk · contribs) 13:21, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Will hit this up in the coming days. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 13:21, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

1. Article is well-written, albeit confusingly worded.

2. No OR, all info is cited in the article.

3. Coverage is broad in depth and focus. Shows multiple aspects of the character.

4. Article appears neutral, and does not appear to hold a significantly negative nor positive stance on the subject.

5. Article appears stable. Does not appear to have had any major vandalism occur.

6. Article uses two fair use images with proper rationale.

Lead

-Looks good

Conception and design

-One of the pre-made characters? What does that mean?  Done added words

Appearances

-What is Strangetown?  Done added words

-The dissonance between the two Bellas is confusing and not well explained. What does it mean that there's suddenly a second Bella?  Done reworded

-The speculation can likely be cut since it's not official yet.  Done removing it.

Reception

-"They also felt that Bella's disappearance and the lore surrounding it helped with that" Clarify the end of the sentence since it's very unclear right now.  Done

-"In The Sims 4, Bella received attention particularly for her red dress and breasts," A bit weird, but in any case, elaborate, since this is barely acknowledged.  Done

-"Gates also discussed how she struggled to feel comfortable wearing dresses, stuck waiting years to be acknowledged as pretty like Bella" Feels a bit unneeded and more about the author than Goth as it's currently phrased.  Done removing it.

-"This received controversy," Cut and reword the sentence accordingly, given that the criticism is already acknowledged in the prior sentence.  Done

-"her physical features remained largely the same outside of skin color for her, feeling that it was not as good of representation as people may have wanted." How so? This point seems a bit unclear right now.  Done removed and reworded a bit.

-"she wanted to move in on Mortimer in Bella's absence, characterized as a gold digger" Reword for clarity, probably to something like "she wanted to move in with Mortimer in Bella's absence due to her characterization as a gold digger."  Done

-"depicting the alien abduction." How so?  Done removing it. I just added it and thought it cod help before.

-"Untangling the character's story arc was described as a "completely maddening experience" by Elijah Beahm of The Escapist." Is there any further commentary here? Otherwise I'm not really seeing much in terms of actual necessity in being in this paragraph, or at least this late in it.  Done nothing more, so I ended up removing it.

Overall

-Article feels very confusing to read. Very little is clear and the wordings are mostly ambiguous in nature in regards to a lot of things. Anyone without knowledge of The Sims will struggle to read this. Please reword this adequately, keeping in mind a Sims-less audience. Ping me if you have any questions. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:51, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

I think Ive addressed everything. 🥒Greenish Pickle!🥒 (🔔) 23:43, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm a little confused, was the idea not that the student was supposed to edit this article as part of an assignment? I also feel that some changes have changed the meaning of commentary in the article by critics. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 01:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I am also a bit confused about what they are aiming for in this article. It says they are gonna implement something and probably maybe copyedit a bit? But, being assigned to a B-class article is really not a good idea for students to learn I think since almost everything was already implemented by you. Pinging educator User:Brianda (Wiki Ed).

As for the content @Cukie Gherkin. You can revert of do some changes if some of them have changes the commentary since you were the author of this article. The Eurocentric" character design from reception is what I actually changed something, which may change the meaning, but I'm struggling to see the comment "her physical features remained largely the same outside of skin color for her, feeling that it was not as good of a representation as people may have wanted" from the source. 🥒Greenish Pickle!🥒 (🔔) 01:50, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I think that, given the confusion around the student's involvement in the article, the review should probably be withdrawn until that's figured out. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 09:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

This also happens at Abby (The Last of Us) (B-class) and Talk:Polar bear but they somehow swapped articles to edit after discovering that the article is in high quality state. So, maybe they can be assigned to other articles if the article turned into GA. 🥒Greenish Pickle!🥒 (🔔) 09:54, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm withdrawing my GAN for now Pokelego999 since the student was assigned here and give them a chance to edit. I'll renominate soon for future 2nd GAN reviewer to see this message . 🥒Greenish Pickle!🥒 (🔔) 10:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'll fail the nom for now, but you guys are more than able to renominate it in the future. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 13:05, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Greenish Pickle!, @Greenish Pickle!, @Pokelego999: This is an interesting situation. This student is a first time editor and I feel like it'd be best to have them choose a another article to work on, since this GA is in-process. I don't think it'd be a problem. As a first time editor I think this might a tough assignment for them. I'll let the instructor and the student know. Thanks for pinging me! Brianda (Wiki Ed) (talk) 22:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Brianna, the reviewer already failed the GA process, so it will be fine for us to let them edit now here. Tagging Cukie Gherkin since I think mistag me 2 times. 🥒Greenish Pickle!🥒 (🔔) 22:24, 26 April 2024 (UTC)