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MAJOR Update:

Hello,

Just wanted to say I've posted a huge amount onto this page quite suddenly. This is my contribution as a WIki Education student at university. I still haven't mastered everything, but I hope this can start the information needed for this stub.

I'm hoping to update with much smaller sections over the next two weeks on the following topics to add into this article: Geography Demographics Legal/political developments

I wrote a justification on why this may be important in my proposal for uni: 3. Geography: Beeliar has two widespread academic research foci; the first was land rights, and the second is its wetlands (usually discussing its contemporary issues). Beeliar also has a wetland reserve that is a landmark feature when distinguishing the suburbs in Perth. There are much unique flora and fauna that were studied by British botanists too. This section would also assist readers with context on what future legal cases may vaguely refer to in their evidence for native title and environmental issues. Maps, footage and images of the geographic features will be used to support this section.

4. Demographics: For an article providing an overview of a local suburb, it is essential to describe the region's demographics. This would include insights into the most recent census data and possibly be presented as a table or graph. This section can account for sex/gender ratios, education levels, occupation and employment, health, and housing. Demographics are essential for readers to understand the socio-economics of the suburb.

5. Legal cases (political developments): Beeliar is accounted for primarily for its contemporary legal issues with land rights of the local Aboriginal peoples and protests against the disturbance of the wetlands. An overview of these two legal issues, including the case claims, outcomes, and responses from the local citizens, will be included in the article.

Regards HSIEteacher (talk) 03:35, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How can I phrase this better?

There's been a misunderstanding with one of the points I've added. It's now been changed to say "The suburb was named after an early settler-colonialist, Robert Menli Lyon,[clarification needed] who recorded and interacted with the local Aboriginal group in the area circa the nineteenth century.[5][6][7]"

The suburb isn't named after the man; the suburb was named after the man's recordings and interactions of the local Aboriginal group.

How can this be written better? HSIEteacher (talk) 02:33, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I propose:

"Beeliar" is the Noongar name for the area and its people,^[1] first recorded by Robert Menli Lyon in 1833^[1]^[2] as part of his interaction with the local Aboriginal group. It means "river" or "water running through".^[3]^[4]^[5]

References

^ ^a ^b "R.M. Lyon and early encounters with Beeliar Nyungar, 1830s". City of Cockburn. Retrieved 2021-05-18.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
^ "Perth and surrounds suburb names". Landgate. Retrieved 2021-05-18.
^ Bindon, Peter; Chadwick, Ross; Western Australian Museum, eds. (2011). A Nyoongar wordlist: from the south-west of Western Australia (2nd ed.). Welshpool, W.A: Western Australian Museum. ISBN 978-1-920843-59-5.
^ Beeliar: Perth's Noongar place names, retrieved 2021-05-17
^ Collard, Len; Bracknell, Clint (2012). "Beeliar Boodjar: An introduction to Aboriginal history in the City of Cockburn, Western Australia". Australian Aboriginal Studies. 2012 (1): 86–91. ISSN 0729-4352.

Per MOS:LEADCITE, most or all of those citations should probably be in "Name meaning and early suburban parameters" and not in the lead section.

Actually the text "first recorded by Robert Menli Lyon in 1833 as part of his interaction with the local Aboriginal group" probably doesn't need to be in the lead section either - that level of details belongs in the "Name meaning and early suburban parameters" section, not the lead.

Mitch Ames (talk) 14:06, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think that way of rephrasing is excellent, thank you.

Yes, I think the lead section is getting a bit long. In my Wiki Education course, they taught us to basically make the lead section a summary (1 sentence, at most) of what's in the rest of the article -- but the more I research, the more detail I kept adding to the lead that I think is getting a bit too wordy!! I found it interesting about the name meaning and who first recorded it, but wasn't sure if others would prefer to read that immediately in the lead. I appreciate you helping me make this research more concise! HSIEteacher (talk) 01:24, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

a "majority" is more than 50%

I'm not very numerically literate-- but if Group A in the census is 40%, and the other groups are <40% (ie Group B is 10%, Group C has 2% etc), isn't Group A still the majority? They take up the largest section in a pie-chart?

Thank you for changing the wording for the census: I forgot that the census counts any resident (not just citizens).HSIEteacher (talk) 03:51, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

According to the dictionary, a majority is "more than half". It doesn't matter whether Group A has more people than each of Group B, C etc. Group A is only a majority if it has more people than all of the other groups put together (including the people who are not in any group).

(Wiktionary says "More than half (50%) of some group". In this case "some group" is the Beeliar residents - "the majority of Beeliar's residents ...)

Mitch Ames (talk) 11:51, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is there such a term to describe the 'largest chunk'? Eg "The most dominant/popular category was ..."HSIEteacher (talk) 03:52, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mode might be mathematically correct, but I'm not sure if applies to non-numeric values ("in group A") or only numeric value ("rent = $300"). Probably the best way of wording it would be "The most common response..." or "The most common religion ..." etc. Mitch Ames (talk) 04:03, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Emmanuel Catholic College's Location

According to Cockburn Council boundaries, the school fits within the Beeliar suburb. But their institution's website says they're in Success (and so does Google Maps).

Who do we listen to?

Council's list of schools: https://www.cockburn.wa.gov.au/Community-and-Business/Families-and-Children/Schools HSIEteacher (talk) 03:51, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Landgate https://maps.landgate.wa.gov.au/ shows the school property in Beeliar. If you compare the Beelier/Success suburb boundary using Landgate vs Google, the only change is the school - perhaps there has been a recent change to the boundary for the purpose of "moving" the school. Given that Landgate is the statutory authority responsible for property and land information in Western Australia, I'd be inclined to believe them over Google. However if the school itself says Success, it's probably worth explicitly noting the anomaly in the article. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:20, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

~~Article updated accordingly. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:34, 20 May 2021 (UTC)~~[reply]

Actually, I just checked Landgate again and it's definitely in Success. I still suspect a recent (not just in the last 5 minutes

) change that has not found its way to the council web site yet. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:54, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, very interesting and odd! Thank you so much for looking into it-- I agree, Landgate is the best source to look to compared to Google. I wonder when the Council will update their list-- it's so weird that the school insisted to be located in Success, and not Beeliar... HSIEteacher (talk) 03:48, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[:3-1] "R.M. Lyon and early encounters with Beeliar Nyungar, 1830s". City of Cockburn. Retrieved 2021-05-18.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)

[2] "Perth and surrounds suburb names". Landgate. Retrieved 2021-05-18.

[3] Bindon, Peter; Chadwick, Ross; Western Australian Museum, eds. (2011). A Nyoongar wordlist: from the south-west of Western Australia (2nd ed.). Welshpool, W.A: Western Australian Museum. ISBN 978-1-920843-59-5.

[4] Beeliar: Perth's Noongar place names, retrieved 2021-05-17

[:1-5] Collard, Len; Bracknell, Clint (2012). "Beeliar Boodjar: An introduction to Aboriginal history in the City of Cockburn, Western Australia". Australian Aboriginal Studies. 2012 (1): 86–91. ISSN 0729-4352.

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