Talk:Bedtime procrastination

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Better sources are needed but maybe don't exist

There are not reliable results for "revenge bedtime procrastination" on Google Scholar <https://scholar.google.com.br/scholar?q=%22revenge+bedtime+procrastination%22>. I don't think this belongs in Wikipedia. If we're going to have articles about psychology, we need to base them on something better than tweets from random people and news pieces. Mateussf (talk) 17:53, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for suggesting this! I have added more information that comes directly from recent studies.Maddievalentine (talk) 04:13, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 April 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Consensus to move and broaden the article scope. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 00:46, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Revenge bedtime procrastination → Bedtime procrastination – "Bedtime procrastination" is the broad name for the phenomenom. It is the one used in real scientific papers (e.g. Herzog-Krzywoszanska and Krzywoszanski, 2019) while the term "revenge bedtime procrastination" does not. The Sleep Foundation source used for the current version of the article talks about the "revenge" part very briefly. It does not make sense that this specific subtype of bedtime procrastination has a page and the broad phenomenom does not. After the article has been moved, there should be a section specifically about the revenge subtype. But the article itself needs to be about the broad phenomenom. Mateussf (talk) 19:09, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging the editors who helped write the article. @Mckaysalisbury:, @Gpkp:, @DoubleGrazing:, @Berek:, @Vaticidalprophet:, @2804:14d:4c89:9b43:1868:bcb1:c635:7ebc:, @Lettherebelegos:, @Wodgester:, @Mckaysalisbury:, @BirdCities:. Thanks for the attention. Mateussf (talk) 19:12, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Move - In its present form, the article is a (well written, don't get me wrong) four sentences on a faddish social-media-ready psychological phenomenon. Anything which can bring it towards a more rigorous and academic position has my backing. Wodgester (talk) 19:53, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The argument proposed by Mateussf seems to imply that Revenge bedtime procrastination is not worthy of inclusion. But the number of Scholarly papers is not a criterion for inclusion on Wikipedia. Mateussf seems to think that the term Bedtime Procrastination better meets the notability criteria. And wrt that, I would agree, based on the data presented above. But that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be an article about Revenge bedtime criteria. The reliable, independent sources cited in this article seems to think that "revenge" is important part of this specific, perhaps related phenomenon, so perhaps both should exist? Having said all of this, I don't object to the move. I mostly object to the arguments presented above. I would Conditionally Consent to the move if the article is (either before or after the move, but within a short period of time) amended to cover the "broader" topic, and the standard redirect remains. McKay (talk) 20:24, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Move - as per Mateussf above. Berek (talk) 07:24, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Current Studies

After some research, I have found more recent studies on bedtime procrastination (ie. revenge bedtime procrastination) that show this phenomenon is a real issue that is cause by both psychological and personal influences. I am working on putting this information into the current wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maddievalentine (talk • contribs) 19:13, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Treatment

Hello,

there ist nothing about the treatment of bedtime procrastination. Is there any way to get rid of the problem? For example, with Melatonin or behaviour therapy?

Perhaps, it also could be a psycological problem; that a person thinks at night: ″Oh, it's two a.m., I have enough time left, to watch a movie or to go online″. I am not sure, but I think, bedtime procrastination is also a mental problem of these person, to comprehend that it is time, to go to bed.

Perhaps, in times of COVID-19, peoble in the same house or or the same flat get out of their way, not to meet the other person and to have it calm for oneself.

Unfortunately most of the websites about bedtime procrastination are in English and not in German.

Yours sincerely

--2003:F1:1711:DB60:35AE:96C:2BF3:7576 (talk) 05:12, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: CMN2160B

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 8 September 2022 and 15 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Xinyi Zhu, Minzhe Qi, Ziwen Zhou (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Blackchainz100, Ky707.

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Overall

I just wanted to say that the article was very informative. The breakdown starting from it's origin to the preventive measures was well structured and very easy to comprehend. My only suggestion would be to provide more information about how the symptoms changes when one spends more time indulging in it compared to one who spends less time indulging in it. Blackchainz100 (talk) 23:21, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of the term???

Why does that section start out talking about something called 'revenge' prefix? The section could at least have said that the act was originally called 'revenge bedtime', or something. The section seems to assume that readers already know the term 'revenge procrastination' as a starting point. UnderEducatedGeezer (talk) 08:14, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Split

Bedtime procrastination is the failure to get to bed; revenge bedtime procrastination is the desire to stay awake to have a social or intimate life after a long working day. @AWiki222, Ziwen Zhou, Minzhe Qi, and Muttabuttasaurus: Fourmidable (talk) 18:38, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I support a split. ℛonherry☘ 00:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]