Talk:Beaver Brook State Park

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Review: November 19, 2014. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Beaver Brook State Park appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 15 December 2014 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Beaver Brook State Park's name may derive from a beaver pond that was once present?

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Beaver Brook State Park/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Bobamnertiopsis (talk · contribs) 18:55, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I can do this one! BobAmnertiopsis ∴_ChatMe! 18:55, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

1a

"The park's name may stem from it having been dammed by beavers" This refers to the brook having been dammed by beavers, right?

Yes. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"but it features the dam on Bibbins pond that last sought to be repaired and improved in 2013" Two things: 1) caps on pond. 2) The dam sought to be repaired? Generally dams don't have that sort of agency. Which person or agency sought to repair the dam?

Removed from lead. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"165 acres" etc. Could you use {{convert}} templates with all these units of measurement?

I do not know how to do that to a usable form and this is USA so it is not a measurement which we use other than acres. If you have an idea, I suppose I could add it...

"walk in park" → "walk-in park"

Fixed. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"trout fishing in the Bibbins Ponds" Is there one Bibbins Pond or are there multiple?

Bah, I swapped Beaver Brook Ponds and Bibbins Pond and the watershed area... argh. Multiple is correct, but it is not proper to call it a pond either and I don't see reliable sources using it as such. Resolved. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You might consider linking catch and release.

Fixed. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"The Beaver Brook State Park's name" Generally, I don't think you need the the before using the park's name.

Fixed. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"According to Leary..." Can some context be given for who Leary is, including but not limited to his first name and perhaps his qualifications for talking about the park? ("According to naturalist [or whatever] Joseph Leary...")

He is not exactly a major figure, but I did add his first name. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"The park began as 165 acres that was purchased" → was to were

Fixed. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"but is catch-and-release only" You use the term catch and release above with no dashes between words. Shoot for consistency and stick with just one.

Fixed. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"the Bibbins Ponds, are stocked" → "that are stocked"

Fixed. - I made an error, it is not stocked.

"Proceeding down Back Road for 2.5 leads" 2.5 whats?

Fixed. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

For the Note section, you might consider using the {{efn}} template in conjunction with the {{Notelist}} template as in this article (see the last paragraph of History and the Notes section.)

This was done more for the verification and assertion for fact-checking and understanding an editorial decision that will not negatively impact the reader or create any confusion for those familiar with the subject. I do not think it really needs the efn template as a result. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

1b

No qualms here. Nice lead, no problems with layout or words to watch.

2a

Your Retrieved on dates in the ref section are inconsistently formatted. Go with either "February 5, 2013" or "20 May 2014" but perhaps not both.

Fixed. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what's up with the note in ref 10 about "Check date values in: |date=" and whether you know of any way to correct that. If not, I won't hold it against this review.

Just like the date inconsistency cannot be held against me.... I fixed it though. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2b and 2c

Looks like the references you use are reliable and the article is well cited throughout.

I fixed an error in my citation and something I ran together. I only noticed it when double checking that I crossed a source from the book and highlighted the Bibbons Pond / Beaver Brook issue. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

3a and 3b

Covers important areas of park (History, Amenities, Location) but does not delve into extraneous detail.

4 and 5

Neutral and no edit conflicts; you're pretty much this one's sole editor right now.

6a and 6b

One picture used in article (in locator in infobox); free, tagged as such, and hosted on Commons. Relevant to article. I couldn't find any free images of the park online so I'd say it looks good.

These articles typically get pictures after they hit GA when a photographer now has enough information to find some of these places and know that the article could really use such a photo. Some parks are unmarked and not even the state actually will get into the boundaries of some... Its also really fun when people who are big into state parks cannot name these little wonders. I went to Mooween and the echo-effect on that lake is scary. Beautiful place save for the remains of the camp! ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Overall, this page is very close to fulfilling GA criteria! I'll be happy to pass it when these concerns are addressed! Thanks for your work. Best, BobAmnertiopsis ∴_ChatMe! 18:47, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Bobamnertiopsis: Should be all set now, I fixed a few issues I noticed. The Bibbins Pond and Beaver Brook Pond issue is more resolved, some of these places have as much as 15 different names for their rivers and such.... Bibbons Pond = Beaver Brook Pond essentially, and the unnamed pools of water (which likely all but dry up round this time) are technically referred to as such, but never formally. Added the Archive.org back up for the dam repair notice, I saw that had broke just recently. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great! I love that little parks like this exist and appreciate your work to provide information on them. You've adequately responded to all my concerns and as such, I'm happy to pass this article. Thanks for your response and have a good evening! Stay warm, BobAmnertiopsis ∴_ChatMe! 06:12, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]