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The result of the move request was: Moved per the discussion. EdJohnston (talk) 16:30, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Beata Ludovica Albertoni → Blessed Ludovica Albertoni – Per WP:TITLE, the more common and recognizable English name Bede735 (talk) 11:30, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:TITLE. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 13:44, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Blessed immediately sounds like a WP:Honorific infringement. BTW Beata Ludovica Albertoni sculpture would be a lot more helpful. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:04, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're confusing the honorific guidance in WP:NCCL, which applies to article titles of people, with WP:TITLE, which applies to works of art. The specific guidance in WP:TITLE states: "Wikipedia prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources) as such names will be the most recognizable and the most natural." Most of the major modern works in English present the name of this work of art as Blessed Ludovica Albertoni, including Wittkower (p. 295), Avery (p. 151), Mormando (p. 391), Perlove, Encyclopædia Britannica, Zanelli (p. 62), Morrissey (p. 266), etc. The criteria should be the "most commonly used" title in English publications. And since this is the only article with this title (Beata or Blessed, the disambiguation is unnecessary. Bede735 (talk) 13:10, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm aware that this is a sculpture. as I said it "sounds like" a person was the point, hence the concern. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:59, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agree and oppose - The most logical thing to do for me is to keep her title in the name of the piece, if that is how that artwork is known, use "Blessed" and add "sculpture", both for greater clarity. Daniel the Monk (talk) 04:23, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support for now. The nominator has provided evidence for the move, and I don't see evidence that the Italian form is more predominant in English-language sources. --BDD (talk) 21:51, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Bede and BDD. See also 6350 hits on Google Books for "Blessed Ludovica Albertoni" versus only 1740 for the Italian form. Most hits for either title appear to refer to the statue rather than the woman, who can be found just as easily through the hatnote that's already present.--Cúchullain ^t/c 21:06, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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