Talk:Bearded reedling

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Never seen a bearded tit before...only great tits for me! --71.62.4.205 (talk) 09:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are you here all week? Should we try the veal? Sabine's Sunbird talk 23:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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First recorded in 1662

The section "In the United Kingdom and Ireland" begins with the sentence: "The bearded reedling has a long history in the United Kingdom, with the earliest written record being from 1662.[29]"

Reference [29] is to the BTO page on the Bearded tit. Under "Population Size" the BTO list the First Record year as 1662 and cite: Browne (in Southwell, T. 1902. Notes and letters on the natural history of Norfolk.) This is an error. Thomas Browne (1605-1682) does not mention this species and the editor Thomas Southwell in a footnote on pages 25-26 writes "it is singular that he omits all mention of another bird, and that an essentially Norfolk species which would have been new to the Pinax - the Bearded Titmouse, afterwards known to Edwards as the Least Butcher Bird."

In the same footnote Southwell mentions an entry in John Ray's "A Collection of English Words Not Generally Used" (1674) that may describe the bearded reedling. See here. Ray explains that he had received a picture from Browne of Norwich of "A little Bird of a tawney colour on the back, and a blew head, yellow bill, black legs, shot in the Osiar yard, called by Sr. Tho for distinction sake silerella." Ray doesn't mention the black "beard". Neither Albin in 1731 nor Edwards in 1747 mention Ray's account. - Aa77zz (talk) 12:58, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]