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The Shiites in this Battle were not Arabs; they were Shiites who rebelled against the Arabs

According to William L. Cleveland in his book a History of the Modern Middle East non-Arab Muslims who were also called the Mwalis played a significant role in the rebellion in Zab, the main cause of this battle was that the Muwalis who were non-Arabs who converted to Islam and were Muwalis to Ali that is Shiite were treated as second class subjects to the Umayyad State that was ruled exclusively by Arabs. So, your claim that the Shiites who actually rebelled were Arabs is questionable.

Abu Muslim

I dont know from where you got that abu Muslim was the leader of the battle, all Islamic sources such as al Tabri and Ibn Kathir say that it was lead by abdullah ibn ali, this is what ibn Kathir says in al bedyat and nehayat and i quote:

"We have mentioned that Marwan, when he heard the news of Abu Musallam and his followers, and what happened in the land of Khorasan, he turned from Haran and landed on a river close to Mosul. He reached al Zab from the land of iraq and then when he learned that the al suffah became a caliph in al kufa and had soldiers allied to him. Then Al saffah gathered his soldiers and brought them to Abu 'Awn bin Abi Yazid in a heavy army, one of the princes of the al saffah, and gave him the the govenrship of al zab and supplies from the hand of the al saffah, but then he gave the lead to his uncle Abdullah bin Ali and said: God's blessing."

The source for Abu Muslim being a field commander during this battle is given in the article, it's Encyclopedia Universalis, which is, as far as i know, a reliable source. Best regards.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:13, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So you use an obscure French secondary source whilst ignoring the primary sources that state otherwise? What primary sources are they basing their claim of Abu Muslim's lead role on? ChoseADifferentName (talk) 09:21, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]