Talk:Battle of Trostianets

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Capitalisation of "battle" in "battle of Trostianets"

The initial letter of the title is only capitalised in running text if it would normally be capitalised. Per MOS:CAPS: Wikipedia avoids unnecessary capitalization. In English, capitalization is primarily needed for proper names, acronyms, and for the first letter of a sentence. Wikipedia relies on sources to determine what is conventionally capitalized; only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia. Per MOS:CAPS, the burden is to show that capitalisation is necessary in accordance with the criteria of MOS:CAPS. Looking at news sources here, it appears to be capitalised about half the time or perhaps a little more. It appears to fall well short of the high threshold set by MOS:CAPS. Cinderella157 (talk) 09:34, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ganesha811, the title of an article is written in sentence case so that the first word is capitalised in the title but not necessarily in running prose. The burden per MOS:CAPS is to show that capitalisation is necessary. The term does not appear to meet the high threshold set by MOS:CAPS. Cinderella157 (talk) 09:34, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look at the sources and see what comes up. Thanks for explaining the reasoning. Ganesha811 (talk) 13:39, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Victory

There seems to be a lot of reverted changes and disagreement between Ukrainian and Russian forces considering this a victory.

It can be argued that since Russia did successfully capture the area at first, it should therefore be a Russian victory. However, since the Russian forces were driven away shortly after and the land was re-captured by Ukrainian forces, would that really still have been considered a Russian success? I think this is something general consensus should decide, unless something else comes to light. Synorem (talk) 14:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to merge/delete

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was to merge Battle of Trostianets. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 07:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I initially came to respond to Synorem in #Victory and have reviewed the article.

From the article, it is clear that Russia captured Trostianets on 1 March. Weeks later, there was an Ukrainian counter-offensive in the region and the Russians left, not long before the Ukrainians returned on 26 March. During the occupation, there was shelling (Grad rockets) launched at and from Trostianets. There was no real battle for the town, it was simply occupied. There was no ongoing battle to recapture it. There was no combat to recapture it. The Russians packed up and left (quickly) amidst artillery (see [1] and [2] that are used in the article). This appears to be one of the many articles that popped up in the early days of the invasion pretty much as soon as it was mentioned in the news. Consequently, I would propose deletion of the article after merging any relevant material into Northern Ukraine offensive and Trostianets. Not every town that is occupied is a battle. This doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG (WP:NOTNEWS} Cinderella157 (talk) 01:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think merge would probably suit well, that is if there isn't already a section for it on the whole Russo-Ukrainian War side of Wikipedia, considering that although probably not worthy of its own article, it still holds decent information regarding the war in general. Synorem (talk) 01:09, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, most of what happened in Trostianets during the occupation already exists in the article on the town. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Google search returns only about five unique results in reliable sources for "battle of Trostyanets" and "battle for Trostyanets" (no such results when using the spelling Trostianets), most of which contain little information about any combat. Generally I take this as a sign that a battle is not notable enough for a stand-alone article.

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I support the proposal to merge to Northern Ukraine offensive and Trostianets.

SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 10:04, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree Synorem (talk) 13:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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