Talk:Battle of Sjenica (1941)
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[edit]It isn't clear why the notations Axis and Allies have been used in the infobox. Exactly what connection did these three men have with the Germans and Italians to warrant placing the flag icons against their names in the infobox and listing the Axis as belligerents, despite the fact that no Germans or Italians appear to have been involved in this engagement? From reading the article, it appears that they wanted to be left alone by all other factions, or perhaps wanted to join with Albania. Also, the Partisans were not part of the Allies at this stage. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 13:14, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- Sandžak Muslim militia in Italian Governate of Montenegro was directly subordinated to Italian governor. Even established and armed by Italians in many cases. The same goes for this militia on the territory under German control. No doubt you know that, taking in consideration you involvement in this article. As far as I know communists in Yugoslavia were part of the whole communist Soviet block, which was a part of allied forces.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 13:30, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- But even when we are dealing with Chetniks that were armed by, transported by, provided medical care, even paid by the Italians, we use the Chetnik flag icon instead of the Italian one. Perhaps you think we should use the swastika for the Montegrin Volunteer Corps? Peacemaker67 (send... over) 13:51, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- Montegrin Volunteer Corps is irrelevant for this discussion, unless you followed me to another article I recently created (you wrote your comment 48 minutes after I created this article) to again sidetrack the discussion to Pavle Đurišić? If you did so, please be so kind to let me know. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 13:57, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- You just won't answer the question will you? How is this different? You added this article to templates that cover WWII in Yugoslavia immediately after creating it, I could hardly have missed its creation. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 14:02, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- I explained the reason for Axis/Allies usage and that your question is irrelevant. Unless you want to again sidetrack the discussion to Pavle Đurišić and then to refer to my (lifted) ban at that article to prove your complaints about my problematic conduct. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:28, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- You apparently see them as different, I wonder why? One is Serb and the other Muslim. Your comment about the Partisans being part of the Allies at this time is completely wrong, we all know the history, they weren't even recognised by the Western Allies at all until a couple of years later. It is this type of simplistic approach to infoboxes that causes problems, don't you agree? You have said that the allegiances in infoboxes on articles to do with Chetniks should be looked at, but seem to be ok with putting a swastika next to a Muslim militia leader. Perhaps the Lim-Sandzak Chetnik Detachment should have an Italian flag next to it, as they were legalised Italian auxiliaries? Smacks of double-standards to me. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 14:51, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- Again me? Please stop with your disruptive attempts to sidetrack discussion to me every time you have no arguments for your position. Same goes for your attempts to connect every discussion we have with Pavle Đurišić. You hate my guts because I reviewed that article (based on your invitation on WP Serbia) and discovered dozens of serious flaws in it. You dedicated most of your wikipedia life to punish me for that. Although every retaliation campaign you undertook against me resulted with fiasco, you still don't give up. After renaming/deleting and quotation/translation misuse campaign you now started with fallacious flag waving in futile attempt to attribute Serbian nationalism or anti-Muslim position to me. This masochistic actions of yours are highly disruptive and disgusting. If you think that Soviet Union and its communist forces were not allied since June 1941 you should bring your position to some more public page and try to get consensus for it. I would again politely ask you to please be so kind to stop with your hostile behavior. All the best.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:11, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- You apparently see them as different, I wonder why? One is Serb and the other Muslim. Your comment about the Partisans being part of the Allies at this time is completely wrong, we all know the history, they weren't even recognised by the Western Allies at all until a couple of years later. It is this type of simplistic approach to infoboxes that causes problems, don't you agree? You have said that the allegiances in infoboxes on articles to do with Chetniks should be looked at, but seem to be ok with putting a swastika next to a Muslim militia leader. Perhaps the Lim-Sandzak Chetnik Detachment should have an Italian flag next to it, as they were legalised Italian auxiliaries? Smacks of double-standards to me. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 14:51, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- I explained the reason for Axis/Allies usage and that your question is irrelevant. Unless you want to again sidetrack the discussion to Pavle Đurišić and then to refer to my (lifted) ban at that article to prove your complaints about my problematic conduct. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:28, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- You just won't answer the question will you? How is this different? You added this article to templates that cover WWII in Yugoslavia immediately after creating it, I could hardly have missed its creation. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 14:02, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- Montegrin Volunteer Corps is irrelevant for this discussion, unless you followed me to another article I recently created (you wrote your comment 48 minutes after I created this article) to again sidetrack the discussion to Pavle Đurišić? If you did so, please be so kind to let me know. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 13:57, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- But even when we are dealing with Chetniks that were armed by, transported by, provided medical care, even paid by the Italians, we use the Chetnik flag icon instead of the Italian one. Perhaps you think we should use the swastika for the Montegrin Volunteer Corps? Peacemaker67 (send... over) 13:51, 22 June 2014 (UTC)