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As to whether or not the battle was decisive

As the person who wrote this article as well as the person who wrote just about every single military article related to Nader's wars I must say that the content of the article makes it overwhelmingly clear that the victory was indeed decisive. In this case I think it redundant to provide sources for the term "decisive". Parsa1993 (talk) 19:39, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Being the author gives you no special determination. As for the IP that continues to remove "Decisive" from virtually any battle[1][2](with no explanation) the Ottoman's lost and adds "Decisive" to virtually any Ottoman victory, I will say if information has been challenged, then a source better be presented. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:53, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Of course being the author gives me no special determination. What is not being addressed here is the fact that the article makes it abundantly clear that the victory saved the Baghdad Eyalat for the Ottomans. I'm saying that in a case like this, we do not need to go pouring through books and documents to find the term "decisive" as it would be superfluous since the content of all of them makes it obviously clear that it was. Parsa1993 (talk) 13:29, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Odd how that can be attributed here(stated by you and the IP's edit summaries). Yet the IP, that started edit warring "Decisive" into the article, appears to have no inclination to discuss anything. If the IP is going to systematically go through other articles removing "Decisive", whilst stating "unsourced", then their edits/additions should be held to the same standards! --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:02, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what the IP's arguments and intentions are but it is in any case irrelevant. What is relevant is that we gain consensus on a very obvious fact, namely that the article which is sourced makes abundantly clear that the battle decided the fate of the Baghdad Eyalat. Parsa1993 (talk) 13:41, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"..namely that the article which is sourced.."

This article is clearly not sourced with the 5 references being exclusively used in the template, not in the article! As such this article is far and away from being properly sourced to indicate any "consensus" of a "Decisive victory". --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:12, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Allow me to rectify that problem. I will need some time though in order to see which parts of the article correspond to which books. 90.200.51.212 (talk) 03:13, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Better yet, instead of harping on that strawman, why not supply a reliable source stating it was a decisive victory? --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:20, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]