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Sullivan's Casualties

Sullivian fatalites Killed: - Corporal Hunter and two Privates. See [[1]]. Died of wounds: -Capt. Elijah Clayes. See [[2]] - Lt. Nathaniel McCauley of 1st New Hampshire; See [[3]] --Sgt Demeret; - Pvt Abner Dearborn;[[4]]}; - Joshua Mitchell; - Sylvester Wilkins. See [[http://www.rootsweb.com/~
Wounded:Major Benjamin Titcomb; {See [[5]];
Various numbers of wounded Privates are given from 20 to 39-with at least 27 in General Poor's Brigade and 4 others in the rest of the Army. See [[6]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unknown (talk • contribs)

The number of Sullivan's Casualties varies depending on the source. Most reliable sources agree that three died during the battle with five more dying as a result of their wounds over the next few weeks. Capt Elijah Clayes who died of his wounds in November 1779 is not included with the dead. Several sources use Capt Norris's journal as the basis for the number of wounded. Norris reported 32 wounded in Poor's Brigade and 4 wounded elsewhere. Subtract the five who later died and the result is 31 wounded.Griffin's Sword (talk) 20:37, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Other sources list the Battle of Chemung as having occurred on Aug 13, 1779, and is not interchangeable with Battle of Newtown

The beginning of the article says that the Battle of Newtown is also known as the Battle of Chemung. However, I found the following multiple sources which list the Battle of Chemung as distinct from the Battle of Newtown, and as having occurred 16 days earlier than the Battle of Newtown.

(1) http://www.captainselinscompany.org/pdfs/Battle%20of%20Chemung.pdf

(2) http://wskg.org/uncategorized/preserving-a-piece-of-revolutionary-war-history-in-new-york/?c=uncategorized

(3) http://historicalechoes.weebly.com/historic-markers-and-monuments-chemung-new-york.html

(4) https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=zIbPPyxCbRE4.kc5ImaGNUZVM — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomada36 (talk • contribs) 02:10, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Strength of Butler's Force

In his report on the battle John Butler stated he had 600 men. This is the number used by Graymont in The Iroquois in the American Revolution, Kelsey in her biography of Joseph Brant, and Canadian historian Gavin Watt's recent No Despicable Enemy. In addition to Butler's Rangers (a British provincial regiment not militia), a detachment from the 8th Regiment, and the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois), were Brant's Volunteers and about 30 Munsee Delaware. Griffin's Sword (talk) 16:17, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction

The introduction has been revised. Most sources state that the campaign against the Iroquois was ordered by George Washington. Deleted the Battle of Chemung as it is not really relevant to the Battle of Newtown. In any case there were more American fatalities at the Boyd and Parker Ambush. Deleted "played a crucial role in America's Revolutionary War." While the Sullivan Campaign may have played a crucial role it is debatable whether the Battle of Newtown did. The link is dead but the citation is for a newspaper article that names a local politician. Griffin's Sword (talk) 21:32, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

British/Indigenous Perspective

The British/Indigenous perspective is missing from this article. Will remedy with information from Graymont, Kelsey and Watt. Griffin's Sword (talk) 19:31, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New section added (Iroquois and British Preparation). Overall the article would be better if sources such as Max Mintz's Seeds of Empire, Glenn William's Year of the Hangman, and Joseph Fischer's A Well Executed Failure were used. Too much reliance has been placed on Allan Eckert's Wilderness War. Although Eckert says that his book "is fact, not fiction,” it is written as historical fiction and contains some notable errors. For example, Eckert mangles the names of Sayenqueraghta and Cornplanter (Gaiänt'wakê) and claims they died at Newtown. Griffin's Sword (talk) 20:59, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted the quote by Eckert since historical fiction should not be considered a reliable source. Raids by the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) continued in 1780 and 1781. Griffin's Sword (talk) 16:50, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Illustration of the burning of Newtown

Would someone with the necessary expertise please add the following illustration to the paragraph about the destruction of villages.

Humphrey Tribble (talk) 01:01, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

well, that didn’t work quite as planned.

The commons file is Sullivan01.jpg Humphrey Tribble (talk) 01:02, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]