Talk:Battle of Neuve Chapelle

Polite language?

"40,000 Allied troops took part during the battle and of these 11,200 (7,000 British, 4,200 Indian) failed to return. " Is the term "failed to return" a euphanism for "were killed" or are the figures inclusive of those captured in battle by the Germans. Should'nt we be more specific. Lumos3 (talk) 14:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

11,000 is the number of Casualties i.e. killed, wounded or missing. "Failed to return" in this context means failed to turn up for rollcall after the battle.Rcbutcher (talk) 17:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

CE

Tidied the text, expanded bits of it and added citations.Keith-264 (talk) 08:37, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

RASAM, "haven't found anything for Cassar or Sheldon", sorry but I don't understand this bit. Keith-264 (talk) 17:03, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Keith-264, my edit summary concerned Haig, French, Kitchener, Joffre, Cassar and Sheldon. All of them suddenly appeared in the article without explanation or introduction (surname only). The first four I knew or got enough information to 'briefly introduce' them: e.g. 'Joseph Joffre, the French commander-in-chief'. The last two I know nothing about (I think they're writers) and I tried to make my ignorance clear to other editors so that they might do something about it. There is only an initial (no first name), in the 'References' section for these two, so I couldn't find anything on them, maybe you know something ? Regards RASAM (talk) 20:41, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I see what you mean, I wondered if you'd mistook them for participants, sorry. The details are in the citations at the end of sentences, which with the references section give the reader enough to look them up if they're interested. Cassar wrote a recent book on Kitchener and Sheldon has been translating German accounts year-by-year http://jacksheldon.net/. While I've been procrastinating on Delville Wood, I've been looking at other Western Front pages which lack citations and putting them in, where I have books which cover the subject. Most of the writing on the page is by other people, I've just tidied the prose a bit in places.Keith-264 (talk) 21:26, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Image

I don't see a 'Mathias Ebner' on the list of casualties on the attached image. Possible attempt to inject personal name/vandalism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.175.90.146 (talk) 03:26, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

See No 6. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 10:31, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Recent edits

@Ealdgyth: {{nowrap|5:00 p.m.}} does the same as & n b s p ; When using am and pm the full stops a.m. are necessary. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 15:12, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Units of measure

It appears to me that this article should have SI primary and imperial secondary per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Units_of_measurement. France has the strongest ties and many of the combatants were from the commonwealth which are now all metric. Avi8tor (talk) 16:26, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

No, it was a British battle and the national exception applies. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 18:20, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

I suppose that makes the Battle of Hasting a French battle? there is no national exemption as you title it. This was a World War on French soil with German, French, British and Commonwealth countries involved. Avi8tor (talk) 05:54, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

The BEF was autonomous except for French being ordered by his government to support French strategy. There were no French troops involved, the BEF used imperial weights and measures and all the sources use them. QED. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 07:35, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

What is BEF and "his" government? The Manual of Style does not forbid imperial units, it just requires SI units to be primary unless it's in the US or in a UK article if they are commonly used in the UK. It does not matter what was used historically, there are many English speaking people worldwide that do not use imperial, the Manual of Style for this reason is quite clear, despite you personal preference. To quote the MOS: "Where English-speaking countries use different units for the same measurement, provide a conversion in parentheses." France is not an English speaking country, the fact that a battle involved as you suggest just British and German troops in France gives more weight to Non British units, Britain 1/3, German 1/3, France 1/3. The Manual of Style was written with a worldwide readers, native English speakers or not, to solve disputes like this, you seem to want to ignore the MOS? Avi8tor (talk) 06:08, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

I have made my position clear and humoured you but no more. National exception, imperial first. Keith-264 (talk) 08:14, 12 March 2021 (UTC)