Talk:Battle of Langemarck (1917)

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I had some doubts about the Hamilton quotation so I looked here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research#Primary.2C_secondary_and_tertiary_sources again. I think it should stand since it adds detail about the mud which every account mentions. Opinion?Keith-264 (talk) 13:45, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

/* British offensive preparations */ Cut duplicate material

The British drum fire began suddenly at 5.30 a.m., landing fifty metres to our rear. The attack in dense columns followed immediately. We fired our rifles at the rapid rate and threw grenades, once the British got close enough, causing them bloody casualties.... Suddenly we realised we were outflanked from the right, so we had to pull back again.... They forced their way into the pill box and took everyone prisoner, then they continued to advance.... British aircraft were flying down below fifty metres, shooting at our men with machine guns.... our artillery fired very successfully at the British.... We were freed by the counter-stroke and were very pleased to be back in German lines.^[1]

At 4.25 a.m. the attacking brigade advanced fast enough to evade the German barrage on the British front line and reached its objectives by 5.30 a.m., assisted by five Royal Field Artillery brigades. The German garrison of Westhoek was rushed, while on the right sniping and attacks by German aircraft caused considerable casualties. The division lost 158 killed, 1,033 wounded and more than 100 missing. The difficulties encountered by the 18th Division in Glencorse Wood on the right made consolidation difficult, due to the sniping and machine-gun fire. During the day and night of 10/11 August the Germans made several attempts to counter-attack but excellent artillery liaison by SOS signal, daylight lamps, pigeons and runners meant that the guns bombarded the German troops in their assembly poistions, preventing the counter-attacks except for one at 7.15 p.m. which was repulsed by rifle and machine-gun fire.^[2] The advance succeeded but German artillery fire and infantry counter-attacks isolated the infantry of 18th Division, which had captured Glencorse Wood and about 7.00 p.m. German infantry behind a smokescreen recaptured all but the north-west corner of the Wood; 25th Division's gains on Westhoek Ridge were held.^[3] By 14 August these divisions had been relieved by 56th and 8th divisions.^[4].Keith-264 (talk) 21:32, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Musketier Furst 8th Company RIR 90 in Pries, History of RIR 90 p. 222 in Sheldon, J. The German Army at Passchendaele, p. 111.
^ Kincaid-Smith, M. The 25th Division, pp. 87–93.
^ Edmonds, J. OH 1917 II, pp. 185–187.
^ Kincaid-Smith, M. The 25th Division, p. 93.

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British casualties 31 July–28 August are given as 68,010 by the British Official Historian; 10,266 being killed, with a claim that 37 German divisions had been exhausted and withdrawn.^[1] On 20 August Sixt von Armin the German Fourth Army commander told the Kaiser that the battles on Flanders had cost his army 84,000 casualties.^[2]Keith-264 (talk) 16:37, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Edmonds, J. OH 1917 II p. 209.
^ Hagenlucke, H. The German High Command, p. 55 in Liddle, P. (ed) Passchendaele in Perspective, ch 4, pp. 45–58.

German defence

Added some material to flesh out the German side and to show the convergence of methods, equipment and prospects in late 1917.Keith-264 (talk) 13:33, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

French First Army

Found a narrative source for the French operations and expanded the section accordingly.Keith-264 (talk) 20:16, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think a reference has been misplaced:

"Further north in the XIX Corps area at 1:55 p.m., an attack by the 61st Division on a line from Schuler Farm to Gallipoli Farm failed and a 15th Division attack by a brigade on Gallipoli Farm also failed. In the XVIII Corps area, the 48th Division attacked with two brigades and three tanks towards Springfield and Vancouver Farms.[112]"

This is attributed to Munby's history of the 38th Division; Munby practically omits this battle and p.27 does not give greater context on what else happened.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 15:13, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

DoneKeith-264 (talk) 15:48, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

CE

Made converts consistently imperial-metric.Keith-264 (talk) 20:59, 14 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I've cut the minor operations section now that they have articles and left a synopsis of the Cockcroft gig. Keith-264 (talk) 16:37, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Musketier Furst 8th Company RIR 90 in Pries, History of RIR 90 p. 222 in Sheldon, J. The German Army at Passchendaele, p. 111.

[2] Kincaid-Smith, M. The 25th Division, pp. 87–93.

[3] Edmonds, J. OH 1917 II, pp. 185–187.

[4] Kincaid-Smith, M. The 25th Division, p. 93.

[5] Edmonds, J. OH 1917 II p. 209.

[6] Hagenlucke, H. The German High Command, p. 55 in Liddle, P. (ed) Passchendaele in Perspective, ch 4, pp. 45–58.

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