Talk:Battle of Kagul

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Person who has been editing numbers of casualties and strengths, please stop, this makes wikipedia look bad.

Nothing is impossible, but I doubt 17,000 Russian troops 'over ran' 200,000 cavalry. I'm going to put this on the top of my listand do some research on this and included a reference, IMO, after that is done, and the source deemed accurate the page should be locked, and it should be suggested that it only be edited by someone in the Military History Project. Cheers, AgPyth AgPyth (talk) 18:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Tatars never had an army of 80,000 cavalry.

In almost every article in Wikipedia where Tatar armies participate. It is claimed that they had an army of around 100,000 cavalry and most of the time it is also claimed that they had huge number of casualties. This is totally nonsense and incredibly exaggerated.

According to estimates the entire Tatar population in the Crimea was around 300,000 in 1780. Most of them were farmers. There were also some 50,000 nomadic Nogais living in the Steppes north of the Crimea.

How did such an small population have such huge armies?

But the Russian empire had in 1780 a population of more than 15 million and strangely they are supposed to have a smaller army.

Is it even possible to have 80,000 cavalry on a single battlefield? Probably not.

If in reality the Tatar cavalry was 8,000 it would still be a very large number for such a small population.DragonTiger23 (talk) 21:50, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Crimean Tatar cavalry

"As at Larga, the intense fighting in the center diverted the grand vizier’s attention from what was happening on his left flank, where Bauer’s men managed to fight their way to the Ottoman trenches. Other Russian units attacked the enemy rear. By late morning, the Crimean Tatar cavalry took flight, sparking desertion in other Ottoman units and leaving the Janissaries to bear the brunt of the battle. Having already suffered heavy losses and fearful of being encircled inside the camp, they began to flee. Halil Pasha was unable to stem their flight despite his best efforts. The day ended with the Ottoman army in full retreat, leaving behind as many as 20,000 of their dead and wounded and more than 130 cannon." --Kutuzov: A Life in War and Peace, Alexander Mikaberidze, Oxford University Press, page 34. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:54, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]