Talk:Battle of Hlukhiv

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Merge proposal

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The result of the discussion was to merge. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 05:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I propose a merger of the content of Battle of Hlukhiv to Northern Ukraine campaign and Northern Ukraine skirmishes (2022–present).

There exists no mention of a "Battle of Hlukhiv" in any reliable sources, and the information here does not describe events notable enough to be considered a "battle" or warrant a standalone article. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 01:07, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, though some content might go to Hlukhiv#2022 Russian Invasion. I would go as far as deleting this article rather than redirecting it. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:36, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is, in my opinion, one of the weakest Ukraine "battle" articles that exists on Wikipedia, so I would be in support of a merge as the result of an AfD, though I don't necessarily see the issues with retaining a "Battle of Hlukhiv" redirect page. Would you also be in favor of the deletion of redirect pages that have been created through previous merges, such as Battle of Trostianets and Battle of Kreminna? SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 00:56, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For all these no recognised name events that aren't reasonably independently notable, I am opposed to a name that would tend to legitimise these as having a recognised name - even if this is being done through a redirect. If these were part of an event 20, 40 or 60 years ago, we would be using recognised names for titles, all these pop-up articles just wouldn't be created and we wouldn't have to deal with such redirects. Is battle of X really a likely alternative name for Hlukhiv during the Russian invasion of Ukraine - this being a test for whether a redirect is required. On the other hand, for these cases, having a redirect called battle of X is way better than having an article with that name. Cinderella157 (talk) 04:48, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't help but to completely agree with your sentiment. In my view the most efficient way to accomplish this is to continue merging battle of articles like this one into those of larger scopes – mostly the articles on the cities themselves or the Northern|Eastern|Southern campaign articles (though I'd prefer to eventually see a different noun used there, ideally front or theatre). Once most of the dubious battle of articles have been merged, I envision a mass RfD request for the all the subsequent battle of redirects, on the grounds you mentioned. I prefer the plan of merging over the AfD process as it tends to be quicker and less controversial, but if there are benefits to doing this through AfD instead please let me know. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 05:12, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.