Talk:Battle of Golymin

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A fact from Battle of Golymin appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 13 December 2006. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the obedience to orders and dogged resistance of the Russian infantry at the Battle of Golymin in 1806 greatly impressed Napoleon and his army?

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One point I am not sure about - Chandler's Dictionary of the Napoleonic Wars refers to the Russian commander as André Gallitzine; is in fact Dmitriy Vladimirovich Golitsyn? (I can understand the different surname - the first name is the problem). I have assumed the Golymin Golitsyn is Dmitriy Vladimirovich and Chandler is wrong about the first name. Andrewshobley 11:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it was this Golitsyn. Moreover, two known André Gallitzine were too young for the Battle of Golymin, but later they became infantry generals. Kmorozov 07:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for this confirmation Andrewshobley 12:23, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Galitzins were an ancient princely family in Russia, and many of them appear in the history books in politics, diplomacy and war over a period of centuries. It's possible that several of them were generals during the Napoleonic Wars.

The Galitzins were like the Gorchakovs, Tuchkovs and Kamenskois in that at least two of them in each family were prominent generals during this period and it's easy to get them mixed up.

In my Battle of Krasnoi article, you will see that one of the Galitzin's commanded the center of the Russian army. I am baffled by this, because Krasnoi is the only battle of the 1812 war in which the history books mention Galitzin's name. Where he came from or what became of him afterwards I don't know.

Kenmore 10:58, 12 December 2006 (UTC)kenmore[reply]

The Russian biography of Prince Dmitri Galitzine says that Kutuzov entrusted him with leading the cavalry of the 2nd army and that he excelled at Borodino, Vyasma, and Krasnoe.[1] --Ghirla ^-трёп- 11:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I know that Chandler has made at least three glaring factual errors concerning the Battle of Krasnoi, so I wouldn't be surprised if he made other errors regarding Russian personages and issues of the era. In defense of Chandler it must be said however that mistakes such as these are seem to be exceptions to what is otherwise outstanding scholarship.

Andrewshobley: I see that you are using some of Greenhill's books as sources. Have you seen Digby Smith's works yet? His books on the Napoleonic Wars are published by Greenhill and I think they are excellent.

Kenmore 05:22, 17 December 2006 (UTC)kenmore[reply]