Talk:Battle of Ettlingen

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Review: December 29, 2014. (Reviewed version).

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Schlacht bei Malsch

I think this article might be related to the German article "Schlacht bei Malsch". See: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlacht_von_Ettlingen

Though I'm not quite sure, since the battle takes place a day earlier and resulted in a Austrian rather than a French victory according to German article. Pruis (talk) 09:51, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's the same battle. The Austrians won the tactical contest on the plains to the east while the French won in the hills to the west. However, it was the Austrians who started a long retreat to Stuttgart and beyond. Three English-language sources (D. Smith, R. W. Phipps, T. A. Dodge) agree that Ettlingen-Malsch was a French victory. T. Dupuy calls it indecisive. Djmaschek (talk) 03:59, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Auntieruth55 (talk · contribs) 20:31, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Looks pretty good. Some questions:

prose

*Why are Habsburg armies in italics? Subquestion of that, do we need an OOB article/list on Charles' Army? This would obviate some of the need for the high level of detail included in each of the articlkes.

Remark: I always put army names in italics. I must have seen it somewhere and liked it. As far as the OOB, this seems like a debatable situation. I have in the past created or updated OOB articles. For big battles like Waterloo or Jena it makes perfect sense, but I am not convinced that it is necessary to do this for a somewhat obscure battle such as Ettlingen. I believe that one group of people likely to visit this article would be wargamers and they love OOBs. Also, I use the narrative form rather than a list because an editor once took me to task for putting an OOB list in an article. Djmaschek (talk) 22:14, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Archduke Charles planned to attack the French on the 10th. But after conferring with Desaix and Saint-Cyr at Renchen, Moreau mounted his own assault on 9 July 1796 This doesn't make sense. First, we shouldn't begin sentences with "but" .... Second, did Moreau know that Charles was going to attack on the 10th?

Done Good catch! Rewrote: After conferring with Desaix and Saint-Cyr at Renchen, Moreau mounted his assault on 9 July 1796. This decision preempted Archduke Charles, who had planned to attack the French on the 10th.

Dodge citation needs and ndash.

Done

Images

maybe put the cannonballs-in-rock in the box?

Done Other pictures were shifted to avoid bunching.

Lecourbe image needs author/artist info

Done Used a better-referenced Lecourbe picture.

I like the map, btw.

Thank you

Oh, I forgot, also, two dupes, one in lead (Rhine) and in Operations (Mannheim) If you have a reason for this, I'm all ears. Otherwise, I gues they have to be sorted. As usual, very good work, readable, nice flow (although some of the OOB details can be boggling). Let me know when you've addressed these issues. auntieruth (talk) 18:00, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done Good eye on the dup catches. Djmaschek (talk) 22:58, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]