Talk:Battle of Dürenstein order of battle

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A note from GAN

May I recommend reformatting names of Russian units (at least) from its current "Regiment Place" form to "Place regiment". I don't have access to the cited book by Digby Smith but if these names are indeed what he uses (in antique German rendition i.e. Podolien for English Podolia (noun) or Podolsky (adjective)) then they run contrary to common English convention (example - Googlebooks), wikipedia convention (as in Order of Battle at the Austerlitz campaign) and underlying etymology (Place as an adjective and not a proper name).

Worse, current naming convention creates improbable names:

"Infantry regiment Butirsk". There is no place named Butirsk. The adjective Butyrsky (as well as single noun Buturka) stems from plural noun Butyrki (then a suburb of Moscow). In 1805 it was officially Butyrsky Musketeers Regiment (not infantry regiment; this name was adopted in 1811 - ru:Бутырский 66-й пехотный полк).
"Infantry regiment New Ingermannland". "New" in this context applies not to the place but to the regiment itself (formed 1785, ru:Новоингерманландский 10-й пехотный полк) to make difference with the "old one" (formed 1703, ru:Ингерманландский 9-й пехотный полк). Again, in 1805 it was Musketeers not Infantry.

So if you retain Grenadiers Regiments then each Infantry Regiment must be checked against its actual name in 1805 (i.e. either Grenadiers of Musketeers): Azov ~~Infantry~~ Musketeers, Kiev ~~Infantry~~ Grenadiers, Malorossiysky ("Little Russia") ~~Infantry~~ Grenadiers etc. Keep in mind though that the same geographical name could be used by different infantry and cavalry regiments (Chernigov Dragoons, est. 1668 and Chernigov Musketeers, est. 1700). Jaegers are simpler because all numbered Jaegers' regiments had no geographical adjectives.

Regards, NVO (talk) 00:36, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this advice. I'm not sure how to go about this, simply because my source is very specific about these regiment names. Auntieruth55 (talk) 00:49, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As for your note on my talk page, for now I'd recommend reverting changes in unit names to Digby Smith's version. I did not mean shortening "infantry regiments" to just "regiments", rather, case-by-case replacement of "infantry regiments" with either "musketeers regiments" or "grenadiers regiments" as they were called in 1805. I have RS on this dichotomy of services on my desk, but it describes Napoleonic wars in general and the 1812 Russian campaign in detail and does not say anything about the action at Durnstein. I'd better put together a revised list in userspace. NVO (talk) 18:59, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]