Talk:Battle of Crysler's Farm

Decisive

Why is this battle not listed as decisive? The British victory here put a stop to the American effort to seize Montreal. Im changing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.101.230 (talk) 00:04, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Richard M. Johnson

Previous versions of this entry had Richard M. Johnson as a US Commander. I can find no record of him being present, or involved in any way.

Anyone with any info. on this ?

Source

195.92.168.163, what was the primary source for the new additions? Fawcett5 04:14, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

"The Day of Crysler's Farm", an article by Ronald L. Way, published in 1961 in Vol. 62 of the "Canadian Geographical Journal". Part of the collection, "The Defended Border", ed. Morris Zaslow, pub. Macmillan of Canada. ISBN 0-7705-1242-9. HLGallon 13:05, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

OK, thanks.. Please ensure that none of the text added constitutes a copyvio... I got a little suspicious when I saw so much material added in one edit... Regards, Fawcett5 13:17, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

No copyright violation. R.L. Way's sources were contemporary despatches and letters, but his own interpretation had a pro-Canadian bias, and he consistently confused the various British detachments. I have annotated with info. from other sources, and achieved a NPOV (I hope).HLGallon 20:50, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

What French Creek

"On November 1 they reached French Creek, New York, where there was a clash with British gunboats escorting supplies up the Saint Lawrence. From French Creek, Wilkinson proceeded down the river."

Really this French Creek, 250 miles out of Saint Lawrence in opposite direction??? (Harry 84.176.67.86 (talk) 12:35, 21 February 2008 (UTC))

Obviously not that French Creek. I'll remove the link until I can sort things out. HLGallon (talk) 19:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Alternative Spelling

On an old map of the battle, the area is spelled "Christlers Farm" .150.203.110.103 (talk) 06:56, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

References

Crysler's Farm Monument original location

Regarding 209.112.59.136's revision of the geo-coordinates for the Battle of Crysler's Farm monument, I'd be interested in knowing the source for the revised coordinates. TIA User:Natty10000 ^{[Stop me before I edit again!]} 21:07, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Still waiting before reverting. User:Natty10000 ^{[Stop me before I edit again!]} 14:54, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Decisive Victory question

This battle seems fairly decisive to me-it caused the abandonment of the major American strategic effort for the autumn of 1813. That seems enough qualification for a decisive victory. Rwenonah (talk) 23:20, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

From that perspective, I can see and agree with your point. However, my read (and I'm going from recollection here so I reserve the right to be mistaken and properly corrected) is that it wasn't a full involvement on the part of the U.S. troops but rather the routing of a smaller contingent which in turn led an under-committed main force commanding officer (Wilkinson) to withdraw under circumstances a more committed, aggressive officer (ie Winfield Scott) could've/likely would've prevailed in. Given his track record, Wilkinson was better than "Granny" Hull but that's a case of damning with faint praise.

That said, I think "British victory" gives it its due (and I'm a Canuck, BTW :) )  Natty10000 | Natter  17:46, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. I've done some further reading on the topic,and you seem to be right. Bit of a waste of time. One could argue that the scale of the British victory over a larger force could be the reasons for a decisive victory,but that would be original research, and illogical anyway given the respective casualties and the lack of enthusiasm on the part of some of the American troops. Rwenonah (talk) 21:22, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Here in Canada, Crysler's Farm is one of the better-known battles and many (mistakenly IMHO) consider it the point where the Canadas were saved. I'm not one of them personally, reserving that for the Battle of Stoney Creek. Therein, you have another battle short on actual casualties but far longer on impacting the will to prevail.  Natty10000 | Natter  22:41, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

It was a successful defence against an invasion of British North America... indeed... considering a smaller force both attacked and routed a much larger one I can only really see this as being decisive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.67.222 (talk) 16:20, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

US Dragoon casualties

The original figure of 18 casualties (undifferentiated) came from Elting, Amateurs to Arms. Where did the revised figures come from? HLGallon (talk) 00:49, 17 August 2018 (UTC)