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Patriot

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Please stop throwing around the word "Patriot," it is extremely inaccurate as a descriptor for Colonists who were fighting at the time. The people in what would become America in the 18th century were just as complex as we are, they had multiple reasons for joining the militia or army - much of which was the pay. The idea that a slave was a Patriot (note capitalization) is at best not amusing, but at worst deeply offensive. Grouchy highlander (talk) 04:23, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Someone claims that IF YOU LOOK ON THE TALK PAGE YOU WILL FIND THERE IS A CONSENSUS, STOP CHANGING THIS! As can be seen, its only a statement of one editor; no trace of a consensus.
I am changing to Patriot, because there was Americans on both sides. You wouldn't label the Battle of Gettysburg and American victory, would you. Why are enslaved people of significance here? Not one word in the article! If slaves were present, they were found on both sides. Creuzbourg (talk) 14:51, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I reverted because "Patriot" is inconsistent with how the forces opposing the British are referred to (ie US). If this is to be changed, then the body of the article needs to change first. Cinderella157 (talk) 23:31, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion

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Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. Community Tech bot (talk) 16:37, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Map shows Broad river too close to battlefield

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The image in the article and linked here... 

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Battle_of_Cowpens.Dean.USMA.edu.history.png

...indicates the Broad river as next to the battlefield when modern maps show it is in NC over 4 miles to the north. crcwiki (talk) 04:09, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Result

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Is there a reason the historically supported consensus, and according to the own history of this page the consensus other editors reached a few years ago, is continuously changed by someone? As far as I can see the consensus reached by historians and by earlier editors was that it can be considered a decisive victory. 162.221.218.49 (talk) 15:35, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You have been repeatedly directed to the guidance at MOS:MIL that specifically deprecated applying qualifiers to the result. Cinderella157 (talk) 08:06, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

American strength underestimated?

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War at Saber Point by John Knight, page 160:

"The number of Americans Tarleton faced has been the subject of debate. Morgan believed he had fewer than 1,000 men. Tarleton claimed the Americans had over 1,800 present, a total historians later ridiculed as a face-saving exaggeration. But a study of pension records by military archaeologist Lawrence Babits proved Tarleton's estimate was conservative. Morgan's force numbered between 1,800 and 2,400 soldiers, giving the Americans a superiority of between 700 and 1,200 men"

The source cited by Knigh for this analysis is Babits' A Devil of a Whipping: The Battle of Cowpens pages 27-36. I don't have access to this resource at the moment, so would another editor be able to corroborate it? If so, is it then worth reflecting this in the information box? F.M. Sir D.H (talk) 10:58, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Surely there ought to be some consistency between the text and the info box? If recent scholarship has demonstrated that the original figures are too low I propose that the info box be amended to reflect this. HenryPulleine (talk) 11:04, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE, the infobox is for a summary of key facts from the article. This info above, if it is to be relied upon, should be incorporated into the article. We don't just go changing the infobox. If there is a wide disparity in sources, it is not useful to report a large range. The infobox cannot capture nuance. We might report a narrower range - if and only if there is a clear consensus in good quality sources to prefer such narrowing. Just because there is a parameter in the infobox (for strength in this case) does not mean that we should or must populate it. Nuance that can only be captured in prose is a good reason not to populate a parameter. The info above should be incorporated into the prose. Furthermore, I see good reason not to populate the strength parameters in the infobox. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:32, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment in Aftermath

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In “Aftermath”, The third paragraph is opinion without attribution. The comment about Cornwallis pushing Tarleton is valid but an exact quote would be unimpeachable. Other than that, the paragraph needs to be deleted, or replaced by an unbiased assessment by historians who aren’t all preaching from the same book. Humphrey Tribble (talk) 06:01, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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