Talk:Battle of Chmielnik

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Did you know... that after the Battle of Chmielnik, a major victory for the Mongols during their invasion of Poland, inhabitants of Kraków abandoned their city?

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For Poland project - confirmed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 17:36, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

article needs work, work, work

For one thing, English sources should be utilized, this is the English wiki. The Batu/Subadai invasion of central Europe is very, very well documented in numerous sources in English; unless a Polish source has a unique piece of information, English sources are preferred (for many reasons already known to editors in the various Wiki guidelines.) Secondly, the article basically misses the entire point of the Mongol invasion of Poland, which was basically a diversionary tactic, and to remove any possible military interference, in their main drive to Hungary (the Hungarian plain), which was to be used as a base and a grassland for their armies so that the conquest of Europe would be spearheaded from there. This is a very important point and the background to this should be fleshed out. I suggest the interested parties read through the accounts in Chambers, Grousset, Morgan, Turnbull, etc. HammerFilmFan (talk) 00:15, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Language of sources does not matter. If you have English sources, you can of course add them, at least as full bibliographical entries in a further reading section. Page ranges would be nice. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:15, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect! The guidelines are very clear on that for the English Wiki. Let's not go down that road, please. That aside, I've worked on many military articles on the Mongols, and pointed to some good references among the literally hundreds in English. HammerFilmFan (talk) 06:19, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

English sources are preferred but non-English are allowed; that's the practical application of WP:NOENG. Anyway, as I said, please give full bibliodata. Just naming some names is not helping much. If you think I or anyone else has the time to read through all contributions of a particular historians hunting for that part in which they discussed that battle, I am afraid you are not going to see much improvements here. If you know where the ref is, give precise information, or better yet, use it to improve this article :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:25, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just saw this. Unless a non-English source has unique information, for verification on the English Wiki, English sources should be used. Sorry. 50.111.51.247 (talk) 17:34, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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either the source (in Polish) is wrong, or the editor is taking liberties

" ... the Mongols, seeing that they would not defeat the Poles in straight combat, feigned a retreat ... " -- sorry, but this was a classic Mongol military maneuver that had been practiced all across the Asian steppe long before the invasion of Europe. If the source states this, then there is a nationalist apologist slant to the work itself; if not, then an editor has WP:SYNTH'd his edit. No European country was ready for the absolutely superb military of the Mongol armies at this time. The Hungarian army was much stronger and better trained than any other European force at this time, and it made no difference - they, too, were crushed along with their Cuman allies. Needs a re-write. 50.111.3.17 (talk) 09:06, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]