Talk:Battle of Blackburn's Ford/GA1
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Reviewer: Peacemaker67 (talk · contribs) 03:59, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Interesting skirmish. I have a few comments:
- Should this be titled "Skirmish at Blackburn's Ford" per NPS? Don't move it now, it'll stuff up the GAN.
- Print sources usually refer to the fight as the "Battle of Blackburn's Ford", so I'll keep the title where it is per WP:COMMONNAME. I've added the other as an alternate name in the lead (cited to the NPS), and created a redirect for the other name.
- Manassas Campaign→ Manassas campaign (this applies to the main template in the Background section also)
- Fixed
- suggest naming the Confederate army in the lead
- Done
- McDowell sent troops
forfrom Daniel Tyler's division- Fixed
- say what Bull Run is, ie "Bull Run, a tributary of the Occoquan River", or alternatively, "Bull Run Creek"
- Used Bull Run Creek
- locate the Confederate left flank
- Added and wikilinked flank
- link Army of Northeastern Virginia at first mention in the body
- Done
- introduce the abbreviation - ie Brigadier General (Brig. Gen.) same with Capt. and Col. (later you use Colonel in full)
- Fixed
- suggest being consistent with reference to Union troops to avoid confusion, ie Federals→Union troops
- Done
- link Joseph E. Johnston and Shenandoah Valley
- Done
- space in Tylerthen
- Fixed
- 1st Massachusetts or First Massachusetts? be consistent
- Done
- 1st Massachusetts what? Infantry Regiment?
- Done
- 12th New York Infantry Regiments
- Reworded list
- 17th Virginia Infantry Regiments
- Done
- 12th New York Infantry and 1st Massachusetts Infantry are duplinked
- Removed second links
- withdrawl→withdrawal
- Fixed
athe second of Tyler's brigades- I'm a little hesitant to make this change. At least to me, it gives the implication that Tyler had two brigades in his division while he really had four - the other two were unengaged at Blackburn's Ford
- there seems to be a bit of additional detail available at the NPS page which could be added
- Added some detail to the battle section, as well as mentioning in the aftermath that two Union soldiers later received the Medal of Honor for Blackburn's Ford
- given Brady died in 1896 but we have no publication details, File:Blackburn's Ford, Bull Run, Va - NARA - 529404.jpg should have a {{PD-old-70}} licence, not {{PD-US}}
- Changed, but now Commons is telling me there should also be a US public-domain tag. Do I need to try to do some research on when exactly Brady published this after taking it?
- That would enable the use of a better US PD tag, as most US PD tags require publication information. Given it is mutilated and unlikely to have been exhibited, you could use {{PD-US-unpublished}} in the interim. If you were planning to take this to Milhist A-Class review or FAC, I would suggest making some inquiries about possible publication, as it is possible that Brady's work has been exhibited since the war, although perhaps not this image, due to the mutilation. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:40, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Peacemaker67 - I found information for a very similar, but less damaged version, of this image on the National Archives Catalog website listed as "Use restrictions: Unrestricted" (see [1]. If desired, I can attempt to upload this image to Commons, but file tagging and copyright isn't my strong suit. Anything else for GA-purposes? Hog Farm (talk) 00:24, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
- That's is a lot better than the mutilated one. You could crop that to get rid of the muck around the edge and upload it to Commons with {{PD-old-70}} and {{PD-US-unpublished}}. That'll do for now. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:00, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
- Peacemaker67 - I found information for a very similar, but less damaged version, of this image on the National Archives Catalog website listed as "Use restrictions: Unrestricted" (see [1]. If desired, I can attempt to upload this image to Commons, but file tagging and copyright isn't my strong suit. Anything else for GA-purposes? Hog Farm (talk) 00:24, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
- That would enable the use of a better US PD tag, as most US PD tags require publication information. Given it is mutilated and unlikely to have been exhibited, you could use {{PD-US-unpublished}} in the interim. If you were planning to take this to Milhist A-Class review or FAC, I would suggest making some inquiries about possible publication, as it is possible that Brady's work has been exhibited since the war, although perhaps not this image, due to the mutilation. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:40, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Changed, but now Commons is telling me there should also be a US public-domain tag. Do I need to try to do some research on when exactly Brady published this after taking it?
- File:First Bull Run July18.png needs information about the source(s) that the map detail is drawn from (narratives, maps in books etc)
- Peacemaker67 - Alternate image uploaded to Commons, tagged as suggested, and replaced mutilated image in article. Hog Farm (talk) 01:45, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
- I have absolutely no idea where this came from. It was present in the version of the article extant before I rewrote this, and I thought it looked helpful. Since I can't provide this information, I'll remove the image.
That's all I have, nice job. Placing on hold for the above to be addressed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:30, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
@Peacemaker67: - I've responded to all your points above. Hog Farm (talk) 16:05, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- OK, happy now. This article is well-written, verifiable using reliable sources, covers the subject well, is neutral and stable, contains no plagiarism, and is illustrated by acceptably licensed images with appropriate captions. Passing. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:45, 31 March 2020 (UTC)