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Established order

"The order in which the 11 players will bat is established prior to the commencement of a cricket match, but can be changed at the captain's discretion"

What does it mean to be established? Is there any limit to the number and nature of changes the captain may make?

Must the second innings match the first in batting order?

(In baseball since the 19th century, a formal exchange of batting orders occurs before the first inning and neither side may vary the order throughout the game. Very early, the batting order was certainly determined only on the first pass, as many as three innings, and the rules for following the order from inning to inning were a little complicated.) --P64 20:55, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Established" really just refers to there being an "expected" order to the batting line-up. The batting order will be determined based on where the captain/coach thinks each player will make the most runs or benefit the team best. Some batsmen will have been chosen for the team to fill particular positions in the line-up.

There are no rules about changing the batting order. The batting order for the two innings need not match either. It has even been known for a captain to completely reverse his batting order for the seconds innings of a game when following on!

There are various reasons that the batting order might change from the "expected":

When a wicket falls near the end of the day, a nightwatchman might get sent in
A batsman might be injured and unable to bat. The batsman may return further down the order if he recovers or if the situation of the game requires it. For example, if a game is nearly won and a top order batsman has a niggle, he may not want to risk going in unless he is needed, so a few batsmen who usually bat lower than him may go in first.
In some circumstances, if a player has been off the field during the opposition's innings for a long time, then he is not allowed to come in to bat until a certain number of overs have passed.
The situation in a game might dictate that a particular type of batsman is required at the crease. For example, in the last few overs of a limited-overs game, a batsman who is known to make runs quickly might be sent in out of turn.

Often, however, captains and coaches prefer not to adjust the batting order unless necessary as it can have a destabalising effect.

Ollie 16:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Opening batsman or openers

Hi,

I'd like to propose that the "or openers" is dropped from the section header. However, I'm aware that a lot of internal links whether redirects or anchors are linked to this, [[opening batsman]] or [[Batting order (cricket)#Opening batsmen or openers|opening batsman]]. The latter, although correct, is a bit complicated and long winded.

Anybody got any ideas or thoughts? –MDCollins (talk) 20:36, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

{{Anchor|Opening batsmen or openers}} will, I think, solve the problem. eg == Opening batsman or openers == becomes == Opening batsman {{Anchor|Opening batsman or openers}} ==. I haven't read the template page fully though, so check it. →Ollie (talk • contribs) 00:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It did indeed - there's something I've learnt today - thanks! –MDCollins (talk) 18:46, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Injury

The article says

In some circumstances, if a player has been off the field during the opposition's innings for a long time, then he is not allowed to come in to bat until a certain number of overs have passed.

However, I was under the impression that it was actually the position in the batting order that was limited, not the number of overs. It's likely part of the Playing Conditions, though, and may well change depending on the type of game.

Teut (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:22, 31 December 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Top Order

I haven't heard of "Top Order Batsmen" before. What this article calls the "Top Order" is the Middle Order (3, 4 and 5) and the "Middle Order" is the Lower Order (6, 7 and 8), including all rounders and wicket-keepers. The batsmen at the top of teh batting order are usually called openers.Philipjelley (talk) 17:28, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have just heard Ian Chappell refer to No 3 as a Top Order batsmen and No 5 as a Middle Order batsman (2009 Series commenting in the 2nd Test). Since many openers have been used in the No 3 position this makes sense if 1-3 are the Top Order Batsmen, then 4-6 as Middle OrderPhilipjelley (talk) 19:39, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They are overlapping terms, but generally... Openers means 1-2. Top Order means top 1-3. Middle Order Means 3-7. Lower Order Means 8-11. 188.221.246.173 (talk) 22:52, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]