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A fact from Bathroom sex appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 5 May 2012 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that in the United States, sex in public bathrooms is more frequent in bars than in restaurants?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2012/May. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bathroom sex.

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Thiel and Sacks reference

The quote is: "The [Stanford] university is also willing to tolerate excesses by members of the homosexual community that would never be tolerated in any other group. In men’s bathrooms throughout the campus, but particularly in libraries and the history department, holes have been drilled between the walls of toilet stalls to facilitate ‘anonymous bathroom sex.’ [...] Students who use these bathrooms are often solicited for homosexual sex." [1] --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 06:35, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References to use

[2][3][4][5]~~[6]~~[7][8] --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 13:36, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

[9] (download p.54) [10] --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 14:05, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The references in this google books search. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 02:03, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This search. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 05:06, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

I think this is a notable topic, but I'm worried that there may be undue weight on the gay sex in college bathrooms angle. I haven't read the sources, but I'd be careful to watch for anti-gay bias/sensationalism in older sources. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:10, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there is anti-gay bias in the Thiel and Sacks reference, but I've ommited the anti-gay part. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 05:05, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That is odd, considering Peter Thiel is gay. Looking over some of the google books links I posted below, it looks like gay bathroom sex generally occurs/occurred among closeted gays, owing to its anonymity, I think. I'd broaden it a bit too, rather than focusing so much on Florida. I'd try to focus more on an overview rather than getting into the specifics and mechanics of it. Also, you might want to mention that it is, generally speaking, illegal. Also, try to compact the pop culture mentions if you can. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:33, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I think the flow of the article needs some work, lots of random details seem jammed together (no pun intended). The "Debate" section seems most interesting to me, could that be expanded? Mark Arsten (talk) 04:20, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Found some pretty decent sources on google books, [11][12][13]. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:38, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also, don't forget health risks! Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:16, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How different would the health risks in this article be compared to general sexual health risks, other than the obvious health risks of being in a public domain?MrNiceGuy1113 (talk)

One would assume that there are additional health risks due to additional bacteria in the area. Soap in the genitals is another one I can think of. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:10, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Askmen.com

I don't think the askmen.com article is a reliable source for this article. It strikes me as a formulaic "X positions to try in such and such a room" piece and doesn't merit inclusion in an encyclopedia. Saying "There are six special sex positions possible for having sex in a bathroom." based on this article seems ridiculous to me, especially when one of those positions involves a washing machine or clothes dryer. Gobōnobo ⁺ ^c 05:45, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am working on it now. Will come to you soon. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 05:53, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why Askmen is not RS. It is owned by IGN. It is of same standard as Mens Health, Maxim or GQ. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 00:56, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, Askmen is generally reliable on the subject. I mentioned on this article's DYK nomination that I'm wary of just how much of their content we're reproducing here, but that's a WP:NFC issue, rather than a reliability one. GRAPPLE X 01:03, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm expanding the section so that it does not depend solely on Askmen. Found several Cosmopolitan references and other references. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 01:13, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Washing machine/dryer

Sexual positions involving washing machines and dryers don't belong in this article. The vast majority of bathrooms do not have washing machines, dryers, dish washers or other random appliances in them. Gobōnobo ⁺ ^c 01:56, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In the "Spin cycle" position, the woman places herself on the top of a washing machine or clothes dryer placed inside a toilet during the spinning wash cycle of the machine. The woman's buttocks remain at the edge of the machine and the man penetrates her.^[1] A variation of this position is the "Spin Doctor", whereby the woman stands with the washing machine in front of her and bends her body over the machine so that her upper torso is parallel to the floor. The man penetrates her from behind. According to Johanina Wikoff, author of The Complete Idiot's Guide To The Kama Sutra, blood will flow to the woman's pelvic region because of the heat produced by the machine.^[2]

Here is the stuff that Gobonobo deleted. I suggest that someone rewrites this in less gender-specific language and puts it back into the article.

For your information, Gobonobo, whether or not a bathroom is equipped with a washer and dryer depends entirely on the part of the world in which the bathroom is found, and other factors such as the size of the bathroom, and the date of the building. You might also say the "Laundries don't have refrigerators" but in Australia (for example) older houses invariably have a freezer or second fridge in the laundry/bathroom, along with a toilet and a shower. I am not suggesting that we add "Freezer sex", but I am suggesting that we take a less insular approach.

Amandajm (talk) 04:35, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My point was that toilets don't usually have washing machines and clothes dryers. Worldwide, there are many households that don't have those appliances at all and, in those that do, they aren't always kept in the same room as the toilet. Besides, the article focuses more on public bathrooms and you'll rarely find washing machines and the like there.

I think that it wouldn't have been mentioned in this article at all were it not included in the Askmen.com article, which is an extremely poor reference. The sexual positions described there are not really unique to the bathroom. Not all bathrooms have bathtubs. The jargon that author uses for positions - "doggy's sink", "toilet rider", "man on the ledge" - are parroted in this article as if they are long standing accepted terminology, while it's really something a writer came up with off the top of his head. Gobōnobo ⁺ ^c 07:44, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Cite error: The named reference askmen was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ "The Spin Doctor". Cosmopolitan. Hearst Corporation. Retrieved 26 April 2012.

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[2] "The Spin Doctor". Cosmopolitan. Hearst Corporation. Retrieved 26 April 2012.

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