Talk:Bat as food

Proposed merger with Paniki

I propose that Paniki be merged into Bat (food). I think that the content in the Paniki article can easily be explained in the context of Bat (food), and the Bat (food) article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Paniki will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. DrChrissy ^(talk) 17:10, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Clearly so, there is large overlap including of sources and images. I've completed the action now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:46, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Duck (food) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 21:14, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

That (now closed) discussion led to the "... as food" style of title now in use. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:46, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

eating bats in Africa leading to ebola?

Shouldn't this be discussed here.Ernio48 (talk) 03:24, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Why is this considered "cruelty to animals"

Someone undid my edit that I did which was to remove this from category cruelty to animals. No explanation was given. Reverting it back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xanikk999 (talk • contribs) 02:30, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

recent reversions

Hi Dartslilly how are my edits irrelevant to the subject of this article? And how are they also not neutral? Please discuss before removing more additions. Enwebb (talk) 14:56, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

I was going to expand the article but ended up having breakfast instead. I toned down the language to make it neutral, I don't think I removed anything. "Overexploitation" is not neutral. Hunting is neutral because there is content about hunting bats as food that I wanted to add that is not about "Overexploitation". Dartslilly (talk) 17:16, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Dartslilly, Overexploitation is a scientific concept. It refers to unsustainable management of a natural resource. Overhunting redirects there. It is neutral. Enwebb (talk) 17:21, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Asia section

Please refer to the draft to the Asia and Dangers of disease and toxin transmission sections below.

• Asia

In china, eating a bat is a delicacy in the Guangdong province of southeast China although it is banned officially.

• Dangers of disease and toxin transmission

Recently bats have been identified as a possible carrier of 2019-nCov, which was first detected on December 2019. Some people believe that eating bats help cure coughs, and helping blood circulation,a remedy for Asthma sufferers, and improve eyesight. The bats and flying foxes were also regarded poh hei (good for stamina) or poh sun (energy booster). However, A holistic nutritionist a holistic nutritionist June Ka Lim warns that “Bats are natural reservoirs of many types of pathogens because of their high mobility, and you are unable to avoid a high risk of infection as cooking could not kill all the virus carried by bats. She also recommended to take better choices of other foods that could achieve the goals of medicinal and aphrodisiac benefits” Goodtiming8871 (talk) 22:58, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Goodtiming8871, I don't think a "holistic nutritionist" is a reliable source for epidemiology and public health. I've made some further revisions to the article as such. Enwebb (talk) 03:47, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

References

Thank you for your response about this topic. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 06:29, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Passing mention of this Wikipedia article in press

• https://www.wired.co.uk/article/wikipedia-coronavirus

---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:06, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

No research on Bat meat consumption in NE India

I don’t see any supporting research on consumption of bat meat as a tradition in northeastern part of India. If provided any reference I will be educated and would love that but otherwise this is wrong to assume something Axom79959 (talk) 06:06, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Axom79959 there are two cited sources to support these claims. All you needed to do was click on them to see for yourself whether or not the information in the article was supported by them. One cited source, Indian Hotspots: Vertebrate Faunal Diversity, Conservation and Management, pg 279, states: "Widespread consumption of bat as bush meat poses another grave risk for the survival of bat populations of [Meghalaya]...this practice is found to be particularly common in many rural areas of Meghalaya where bat meat is also consumed by the village people as a supplementary source of protein...the authors could observe regular bat trappings by locally improvised techniques....sources reported overharvesting and noticeable decline in bat population over the years."

The other cited source, "Bats as bushmeat: A global review", states "aboriginal people regularly eat bat meat in Visakhapatnam and Srikakulam Districts. In India most bat meat is for private consumption." and "India (Andaman & Nicobar Islands) Pteropus melanotus and Pteropus faunulus are frequently hunted at night, at their foraging and roosting trees, for consumption on special occasions."

So yes, bats are eaten in India, and yes, the cited sources support the text. Enwebb (talk) 13:51, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

TITLE

I feel this article's title should be changed to 'Bat meat'. It falls under 'Bush meat'. Other Wikipedia articles I have seen do not list the animal's name as food in the subject, such as "Pig as food", etc. Battykin (talk) 21:43, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Please see the following CDC page. Bat meat is part of the umbrella of Bushmeat. https://www.cdc.gov/importation/bushmeat.html Battykin (talk) 21:45, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

-ALSO- This article seems to exhibit some bias. It should be more precise with statements when using a source. The source used in this article does not support the wording of the statements. For instance, bats are hunted and are eaten in Europe, (e.g. France, among other countries). They are also hunted and eaten in the Caribbean, Central, and South America. On the other hand, bats being eaten in Africa and Asia varies by area and is not common among those who do eat them. The article seems to strongly imply a bias towards those continents and leaves Europe, Caribbean, and the Americas out. The source used lists the numbers oh bats hunted by areas, and Europe, Caribbean, Central, and South America are not excluded as suggested in this article. Battykin (talk) 22:11, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Battykin, what reliable sources do you have that state that bats are eaten in the Caribbean, Americas, and Europe in modern times? From the article A 2016 review documented hunting of bats for bushmeat in North Africa, Sub-Saharan Africa, Oceania, South America, East Asia, South Asia, Southeast Asia, and West and Central Asia. In contrast, it recorded no species hunted for food in the Caribbean, Europe, North America, Mesoamerica, or North Asia. which is from the chapter "Exploitation of Bats for Bushmeat and Medicine" Table 1.0. The aforementioned regions are listed as "0 species hunted" in the table.

As far as the title, it's all the same to me. There is inconsistency in how these articles are covered on Wikipedia. For example, we also have Chicken as food, Duck as food, Quails as food, Anchovies as food, Cod as food, Eel as food...I could go on, but I think the point is probably made that it is variable. Enwebb (talk) 00:35, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

I'll also say, it's more helpful to frame problems as "change x to y" with an example of the exact phrasing you think should be used and the exact sources you think support the claim. Enwebb (talk) 00:43, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I was thinking more along the lines of calling it "Bat meat". There are articles called "Cat meat" and "Dog meat" to name a couple. From what I read in the source linked, there were numbers listed for many countries and continents where bats are hunted. Bats are a delicacy served in France. Also, my point was the context the info was written in. On Wikipedia, it's important to be specific when talking about cultures or countries involved in consuming something. Blanket statements saying bats are eaten as bushmeat in so and so is not accurate as it doesn't represent the entire country. Certain areas should be specified and how common or uncommon it is. If I were to find my own sources, or even use the one provided, I would include that info, instead of writing. Bats are hunted for bushmeat in Asia, Africa, but not in Europe and the Americas. This is my take on the way it is written, and I'm sure there are other readers who would also feel that way. Battykin (talk) 05:22, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

There is no internal consistency on Wikipedia for titling these articles. It is a mix of "X as food" and "X meat". What citations to reliable sources do you have that say bats are eaten in France in modern times? Please frame as, the article currently says "XYZ" but it should be changed to "ABC" based on these sources:

Also, in the "Modern prevalence" section, various countries are discussed, with many comments about the frequency or rarity of consumption by region. Enwebb (talk) 14:15, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, when I have more time, I will elaborate some more. At the moment, I am quite busy, but here are some brief points. In the source used, it does not state that bats are hunted and used as bush meat in North Africa, West, or Central Asia, yet that is stated in this article. In the same source used, it does state that there still exists black markets in Europe. It also has a link to the eating of bats in Paris. This is just based on the source that was already provided here, but the statements are not mentioned in the article. The article also talks about bats being hunted and consumed by Australian Aborigines for thousands of years. I could not find that in the source linked. According to an ecologist: "Archaeological evidence suggests that before the coming of Europeans, Flying Foxes were not often used as food by the Australian Aboriginees. However more recently the habit has become much more common. This undoubtedly reflects the loss of other preferred game animals from the habitat." I am just pointing out what I see as either some content taken out of context or some misinformation written that was not included, or some info not included in the article that was stated in the source. I am also trying to point out the sensitivity when writing about animals or cultures. I do not come from these cultures, but I can see how a reader might be upset by the misrepresentation here, as I have seen people's comments on the bush meat Wikipedia article. Battykin (talk) 21:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Battykin, pg 78 of the cited source "By contrast, across much of northern Australia, black and red flying foxes have been hunted by Aborigines for many millennia. In a world striving to use its natural products sustainably, these activities are worthy of study and documentation. Aboriginal people in the Top End of the Northern Territory are estimated to eat around 180,000 flying foxes each year (Vardon et al. 1997a) and flying foxes feature prominently in tradition in other areas (McKnight 1975)." Enwebb (talk) 14:48, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Enwebb There is still no mention in the source about bats being used for food in North Africa, West Asia, and Central Asia. Furthermore, this article is about 'Food', not medicine. There is a separate article that includes bats used in medicine. Mixing the two is not accurate as they are separate topics. Also, we should add the black market in Europe and Paris. As for the Aborigines, I suppose it's controversial then if there's conflicting statements. However, when making a statement about something happening over a time period of a millennia, there should be enough sources to back that claim, in my opinion. Battykin (talk) 17:56, 18 June 2020 (UTC) Also, I have not seen any citation in the source used claiming that Bangladesh uses bush meat of bats. It's actually against the law to hunt bats there. Wildlife Preservation and Security Act 2012 of Bangladesh protects all species of bats. Hunting is prohibited. There is a book source as well: Bats in the Anthropocene: Conservation of Bats in a Changing World. Battykin (talk) 18:52, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Many environmental laws in the Global South are poorly enforced. Bats are hunted in supposed wildlife sanctuaries in Thailand. Many bats are supposed to be protected in the Philippines as well, but are killed and eaten. I have added another source to confirm that bats are hunted in Bangladesh, including explicitly for bushmeat. Enwebb (talk) 19:06, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Content in Article

I will fix this article when I have more time. There is some written content in here that has nothing to do with the topic. This article is specifically about bats as 'food'. Hunting for sport, medicine, population control, hate, etc is not relevant here. Those topics are all mentioned in other related-articles, and mixing the two into paragraphs not only confuses a reader, but is misleading as well. Also, as per my points brought up earlier- I will include a section regarding the USA and Europe's consumption of bat food, as well as the black market. Battykin (talk) 20:21, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

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