Talk:Baseball at the 2015 Pan American Games – Men's tournament

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CAN/NCA

What is going on with the Canada/Nicaragua game last night? On the talk page for the standings table, someone notes that the online score was once listed as 9-0, and then somehow it became 6-4. This media account -- from what I think is a pretty reputable source -- says the final score was 9-1, which is entirely consistent with what was reported by the talk page poster and not at all consistent with the ostensibly official score: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/panam-d3/baseball/canada-beats-nicaragua-in-pan-am-baseball-moves-to-3-0-1.3150666 What is going on? 64.90.209.194 (talk) 15:57, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2nd/3rd place

OMG, what a wrong interpretation of the rules, Cuba should have been 2nd due to team balance.--Je suis blocked by Darkwind 09:38, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

It isn't a question of interpretation. It's the WBSC rule. It's biased in favor of head-to-head results, so when they go to TQB, the last team is eliminated, and then they try to resolve it via head-to-head again. If that doesn't do it, the next-worst team is eliminated via TQB, etc. In any event, the tie only resolved who was the 2nd seed and who was the 3rd seed in the medal round, which is to say the only thing it decided was whether Cuba batted in the top or the bottom of each inning against the United States. Pretty trivial in the grand scheme of things. MrArticleOne (talk) 01:43, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is a very new rule and a very unlogic one. In the old ruling TQB had decided anything at that point and only if teams had identical TQB then head-to-head had come again. The old ruling was far more logic and fair.

The CEB, the european organization, (still) has the old ruling:
i. Equality (Ties) of games
All ties after the preliminary round will be settled as follows (in order):
1. The team that won the game(s) between the teams tied shall be given the higher position;
2. The team that has the best Team's Quality Balance (TQB*)
3. The team that has the best Earned Runs Team's Quality Balance (ERTQB).
4. Highest batting average in games between the teams tied
5. A coin flip.

Teams Quality Balance (TQB) is the sum of runs scored divided by the number

of innings played on offense minus the number of runs allowed divided by the number of innings played on defense. (RS/IPO)-(RA/IPD)=TQB.
When applying point 2, 3 or 4 and one team is selected for the higher or the lower position and the remaining teams are still tied with the same result of TQB, ER-TQB or batting average the order to settle this tie between these remaining teams starts again at point 1. When applying this rule 1(one) out is 1/3rd of an inning.
When calculating the TQB only the games between the teams tied in the specific playing round (e.g. round robin) have to be included.
For TQB Calculation Examples please refer to Appendix I.
--Je suis blocked by Darkwind 09:53, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

I agree it's a bit counterintuitive, but after watching the basketball tournament at this year's Pan American Games, I'm almost inclined to say I like this better. In Pool B at the PAG, you had a 3-way tie for 2nd place at 1-2 between Dominican Republic, Argentina, and Mexico. All 3 went 1-1 against each other. Argentina beat Dominican Republic head-to-head, but was a few points worse in the head-to-head point differential between the 3 teams. Yet it feels weird to me that even though Argentina beat Dominican Republic head-to-head, they lose out because Dominican Republic blew Mexico out of the water by 25 points. I can see some sense in saying that Mexico is the last-place team of the 3 (due to having been blown out), but that with them eliminated, the head-to-head winner between Argentina and Dominican Republic should advance. It feels fairer to me, somehow. MrArticleOne (talk) 11:45, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]