Talk:Bartimaeus (Bartimaeus trilogy)

This article was nominated for deletion on 13 November 2008 (UTC). The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Does the Overview need the bit about Bartimaeus' names? I would think that would be appropriate in it's own section, perhaps with his history, not under the overview. I've tried to clean up the names section, but I'm not sure what the original author intended with what Bartimaeus did for each master. -Pineapple 03:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bartimaeus is a great creation by author Jonathan Stroud. When I started reading the first book I thought the footnotes would be a distraction (as well as being hard to read in small print) but I found myself looking forward to them more and more as the story progressed. Considering that Bartimaeus isn't really anything tangible - an essence? a spirit? - he is the most likeable character in the story. He's the one you identify with, even when he's changing shapes and flying across London. Nathaniel, by contrast, is totally unlikeable. Even when he gets humiliated by Lovelace you can't help thinking he deserved it. The London that Stroud has created, and the social background, has a Dickensian quality. It's a bit medieval at times too. The books are immensely enjoyable and no doubt wasted on the target audience. Madjinn 13:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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i want a cookie! but... anyways i like bartimaeus alot and i absolutely loved the footnotes but how can u not like nathainel at all mean have u read the last book!he is totally selfless!also he was as bartimaeus says in the third book also "born into it"and has the biggest consience among the magicians!i loved nathaniel and bartimaeus pretty much the same amount(alot!)and i wish people read between the lines bartimaeus(though not usually stating it openly except in the last book) has a bond with him and kitty so ya i luvvvvvv batimaeus (i mean he is hilarious) but don't be so hard on nathaniel because he saved bartimeaeus's life!

I have taken the liberty of fleshing out the page slightly, as well as fixing a few basic grammatical errors... Can we please get someone with a basic understanding of sentence structure to do some more fleshing out? Yeliw

Since I posted the comment above, I have reread the trilogy and also met Jonathan Stroud at a reading. Hearing him talk about the characters did help me understand Nathaniel better. I still think he was a self-centred egotistical drip but, yes, he did save Barty's life at the end. But that was mainly because of Kitty. And I don't think he could live with the fact that Kitty had done something no magician, other than Ptolemy, had. Would Nathaniel have survived a trip to the Other Place? I doubt it. Kitty had a much stronger bond with Bartimaeus and it wasn't based on years of enslavement. Madjinn 19:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure that Bartimaeus is at the fourteenth level, not the fourth level, but I didn't want to correct without checking.

I have checked the trilogy's official web-site to make sure that Bartimeaus is indeed of the fourth level and not fourteenth. This had been bothering me for quite some time and I finally changed it. Anyways, I personally loved the books and the definitely made my list of all-time favorites. The footnotes were something I'd never seen in another book and I found myself turning the pages rather quickly, hoping to see more on the next page. I actually began to dread reading the Nathaniel and Kitty chapters because they were lacking the special character and spunk that Bartimeaus had! Julielulie 23:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

strange thing about him

he olso built the walls of jeriko. during the last chapter where he speaks about his past ptollemy says "i have not bound you by a pentacle for a long time", in the amulet of samracand he says thathe hates "traitors", but he was a traitor once aswell? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sno777 (talk • contribs) 17:06, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can't quite make out what you're asking, but in the Amulet of Samarkand Barty wasn't a traitor yet...

Dirt Tyrant 23:00, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's been a while since I visited this page. I'm pleased to see there's been some discussion. Has anyone visited [Jonathan Stroud's website][1]. I love the drawing of Bartimaeus that pops up behind the author's head. One of the interesting things - which the author talked about at the reading I went to - was the difference in cover designs in different countries. I like the English versions and I don't think I would have been attracted to the books with the American covers.Madjinn (talk) 18:48, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]