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Apostrophe

I was surprised to find no previous discussion about whether it's right to spell Barracks' Arch that way. I was even more surprised to find the usage apparently adopted by no less an authority than former scholar, parliamentary officer, UWA vice chancellor and WA governor Gordon Reid in his Westerly article. (Or maybe a pedantic editor or proofreader added that apostrophe, without noticing that it is not consistently applied in the article.) However, having known Reid personally and been a resident of W.A. for some 40 years, I am bold enough to wipe the 'pos' in full confidence that the spelling Barracks Arch is universally accepted by Perthites. Also, the capitalisation of 'Arch' is fairly allowable in the two-word title but I have reduced it to lower case elsewhere. Bjenks (talk) 10:07, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that, the dropped apostrophe happens in a number western australian place and structures names.... satusuro 10:22, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The practice of dropping the possessive apostrophe when naming localities, places, roadways, pathways, features, objects, etc. that are in the public domain is widespread by authorities in government & non-government jurisdictions in Australia, UK, and and many other countries. Where such apostrophes have previously existed they have been removing them. Such policies are widespread, known & documented. I have seen several such policies and supporting documents.

In Western Australia there is a standing committee (since 1936) of the Lands Department called "Geographic Names Committee" (previously known as the "Nomenclature Advisory Committee"). It has published "Policies and Standards for Geographical Naming in Western Australia" (See http://www0.landgate.wa.gov.au/docvault.nsf/web/PS_LD/$file/GNCommittee.pdf )^[1]^: 22

I am NOT saying that committee specifically had a hand in removing the apostrophe from Barracks Arch but the policy and resultant removal are entirely consistent. The following quotes are from that policy:-

3.3 Possessive form, punctuation, hyphens, diacritics and symbols

3.3.1 Possessive apostrophe

When naming roads, administrative boundaries or topographical features the possessive apostrophe shall not be used. The use of such an apostrophe in the English language denotes ownership, possession, or reflects association or affiliation to something.

In all cases of topographic features, localities and roads which have been named in the past containing an element that has historically been written with a final –'s or –s', the apostrophe is to be removed completely, e.g. St Georges Terrace, Gentles Corner, Keanes Point.

An apostrophe forming part of a name may be included, for example O'Connor, A'Dale, D'Orlando

.......

3.3.4 Punctuation

The following types of punctuation as used in Australian English, shall not be included as part of a geographic name: period (full stop), comma, colon, semi-colon, quotation marks, exclamation mark, question mark, ellipsis, hyphen, dash, apostrophe and parenthesis.

Lanyon (talk) 05:32, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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^ "Policies and Standards for Geographical Naming in Western Australia" (PDF). Landgate. Midland, Western Australia: Geographic Names Committee, Landgate, Government of Western Australia. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2013-04-20. Retrieved 2022-11-05. In all cases of topographic features, localities and roads which have been named in the past containing an element that has historically been written with a final –„s or –s‟, the apostrophe is to be removed completely, e.g. St Georges Terrace, Gentles Corner, Keanes Point.

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[lg-873-1] "Policies and Standards for Geographical Naming in Western Australia" (PDF). Landgate. Midland, Western Australia: Geographic Names Committee, Landgate, Government of Western Australia. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2013-04-20. Retrieved 2022-11-05. In all cases of topographic features, localities and roads which have been named in the past containing an element that has historically been written with a final –„s or –s‟, the apostrophe is to be removed completely, e.g. St Georges Terrace, Gentles Corner, Keanes Point.

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