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The article has been edited several times by unregistered users. If you have something to contribute to this page, please register as a user and discuss the changes here in the talk page. Otherwise, such edits will be reverted. DFH 19:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing wrong with having edits by unregistered users; this is permissible and even encouraged by Wikipedia policy. If you want to proselytize, do it elsewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.150.34.208 (talk) 17:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

'islamaphobic'?

I would like to request patience by the original author/authors for my editing (deleting) of the word 'islamaphobic' in the passage about the Barnabas Fund's published works regarding Islam and western society. To call them islamaphobic, or indeed truthful is surely, in the context of this website, a matter of opinion and should therefore be left to the readers of those books to make up their own minds. I did toy with the phrase '..some have interpreted them as islamaphobic' but one might as well (in order to be impartial - which I assume an encyclopedia should strive to be) then say ..'and others have interpreted as true'. You would then have to state opinions on both sides concerning practically everything in every article. The preceding words.. 'At the same time, Barnabas Fund officials are quite opposed to the trend of Christian conversions to other religions in Western countries..' has validity because as an organisation which believes that the Gospels and the messages therein are true they are bound (logically) to be opposed to conversion to other religions. This makes the statement more than just opinion unlike the 'islamaphodic' reference which follows.

In gratitude for your understanding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dullitch (talk • contribs) 12:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dullitch (talk) 12:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Based in Anglican Church

Dr. Sookhdeo is an Angican Canon, and recognized as being part of its evangelical wing. Given that he is the driving force here, it is uncontroversial that this is based in the Evangelical wing of the Anglican Church. The Barnabas Fund certainly does not speak for all Christians, so it is important to be more specific.

The other part you deleted "At the same time, Barnabas Fund..." was resolved months ago. See above. Again, nothing controversial; these are direct quotes taken from the Barnabas Fund itself.

Dr. Sookhdeo's opposition to the airing of other interpretations of Jesus on British television should also be noted in this context. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.52.162.82 (talk) 18:09, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

re: Based in Anglican Church and Christian to Islamic converts

Correct: it is not controversial, however it is factually incorrect. Barnabas Fund has many regional directors from different denominations.

It's direction in all matters is led by a steering group from different denominations.

It employs Christians from all denominations.

It has Church representatives in every denomination.

It appeals to Christians from all denominations.

It receives aid and support from every denomination.

It serves Christians in all denominations.

Of course it cannot (and does not) claim to speak for all Christians - but to say it is based in the Anglican church is incorrect and misleading. A Christian director may of course have come from a denomination themselves but this is irrelevant. Patrick Sookhdeo has been referenced and that should be enough.

On the second issue-

The reason this article contains information regarding persecuted converts from Islam to Christianity (apostates) is because aiding apostates is one of Barnabas Fund's principle aims and therefore relevant to stating what Barnabas Fund is (and does).

Including information regarding what a 'Barnabas Fund official' publishes is not relevant to this article because:

If you are referring to general Christian beliefs and feelings (as was the previous poster) then this is not the right forum - and therefore not relevant.

The Barnabas Fund official (which is referred to) publishes completely (and I would suppose legally) independently of Barnabas therefore their views are not necessarily that of Barnabas Fund.

Stopping converts from Christianity to Islam is not one of Barnabas Fund's aims and therefore is not relevant to this article (what is Barnabas Fund and what does it do).

If you wish to make an entry on the life, works and views of the Barnabas Fund official in question then by all means do so, but in this context the article is not a debate - information should be relevant and factual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Researcher3098 (talk • contribs) 12:19, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

re: main points above

OK, I'll agree with interdenominational -- although there is no evidence given that it is indeed so -- and include a note about that applying primarily to the director.

As was settled in the 'Islamophobic' section above: "The preceding words.. 'At the same time, Barnabas Fund officials are quite opposed to the trend of Christian conversions to other religions in Western countries..' has validity". These are official publications made available through the Barnabas Fund and sold through its website. They are thus highly relevant in illlustrating the BF's purpose and activities. The purpose here is not to portray the BF as it wishes to be portrayed, but to give readers a full view of its nature and activities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.52.162.82 (talk) 21:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: ISIC and Barnabas Fund entry merger

I disagree with this. Just looked at both Barnabas and ISIC sites and can find no public reference to the two being linked on either site - I understand this link was probably public in the past - but unless the two organisations currently link to each other I'm not sure they should be merged. If anything ISIC should be merged with Patrick Sookhdeo? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.238.151.214 (talk) 10:20, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]