Talk:Barn theatre (disambiguation)

Requested move 17 January 2023

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. After much-extended time for discussion, there is no consensus for a move at this time. BD2412 T 03:29, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

• Barn theatre (disambiguation) → Barn theatre
• Barn theatre → ?

– Barn theatre is just a redirect to Barn theatre (disambiguation). No incoming links Special:WhatLinksHere/Barn theatre] showing some special meanings. MrKeefeJohn (talk) 08:45, 17 January 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:52, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Barn theatre is currently an article. 162 etc. (talk) 15:17, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

The article was moved after my request, if I'm not wrong. MrKeefeJohn (talk) 15:27, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Actually, this was an administrative move back to an article where there had been an undiscussed page move. That caused this request to be malformed, which has been remedied above. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 18:25, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

And I moved it back. It is the title I selected duing article creation, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Theatre#Barn theatre for reason.Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 20:44, 17 January 2023 (UTC).

• Strong Oppose "Barn theatre" is a generic term. It is a historical concept in many countries. I requested to write an article in WPTheratre on the subject. Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 20:37, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Is it Barn theatre the primary topic? If so, my request it's wrong. Is typical olny in Lithuania or not? It seems not, because I added to the disambiguation some theatres, all located in England or United States. MrKeefeJohn (talk) 20:39, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Yes it is. It is just the article was missing. I requested to write it in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Theatre#Barn theatre. But it looks like they are slow I and will have to write it myself. Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 20:44, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Now an article at the location. The generic concept is probably primary. Barn theatres in Lithuania could probably be merged to it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:27, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
  • I would oppose merge, because this is a rather separate subject for several reasons, not to say about categorization and interwiki links. Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 18:12, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
    • Categorisation and interwiki links can be retained on a redirect, so this is not an issue. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:36, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
      • The major issue the domain of the subject: In US and UK it was a summer theatre, while in Lithuania is was an underground theatre. We dont merge software bug nd hardware bug, do we? Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 19:08, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support – I generally oppose creating new articles to do primarytopic takeover in situations like this (interfering with an open RM). So the new article at Barn theatre might need a better title, as that title was taken when it was grabbed from the redirect. A primarytopic takeover move can be proposed later if it looks appropriate. Dicklyon (talk) 06:56, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
  • All is good and well, with the exception of one thing: there was no "takeover": I was creating new articles, when someone jumped in between with page move, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Theatre#Barn theatre. And there is no better title for "barn theatre", because "barn theatre" it is. Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 18:08, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose as we now have an article on the generic meaning worldwide but the DAB could got to Barn Theatre for the proper nouns. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:36, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

"Partial matches' removal

Not all patrtial matches are unconditionally removed. Please see page Lincoln. It contains

• Lincoln Academy (disambiguation)
• Lincoln Christ's Hospital School, Lincolnshire
• Lincoln College (disambiguation)
• Lincoln Elementary School (disambiguation)
• Lincoln Group of Schools, U.S
• Lincoln High School (disambiguation)
• Lincoln School (disambiguation)
• Lincoln Tech, a group of schools in New Jersey, US
• Lincoln University (disambiguation)
• Old Lincoln High School, Tallahassee, Florida, US
• University of Lincoln, UK

Thgis because thesse things are commonly colloquially known as "Lincoln": "He studies at lincoln". Same here: "Camelot at Barn Theatre today". Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 19:24, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

There is no evidence that these things are known as "Barn Theatre" in everyday parlance. For example, Sewell Barn Theatre is called "Sewell Barn" when shortened in the article, not "Barn Theatre". Its webpage notes that performances are done by "The Sewell Barn Company" and the organization supporting it is called "Friends of the Sewell Barn". It's pretty clear this is not known as "Barn Theatre". The other cases are similar. I will not revert again (unless for readdition of Bluebarn Theatre, which is not even titled "Barn Theatre" at all), but this is objectively different from something like "Lincoln College". Dekimasuよ! 16:07, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

OK, you convinced me: there must be a reliable evidence of the usage of the shortened term. So I self-reverted them. Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 01:20, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

By the way, per "Sewell Barn" ; on a similar vein, sources show that several of these theatres are called simply "The Barn", such as The Barn Theatre. Do you think in makes sense to add them into the page Barn (disambiguation)? Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 01:25, 25 January 2023 (UTC)