Talk:Barkhad Abdi

"Film director and producer"

What did he produce and direct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.161.152.198 (talk) 04:18, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Music videos and Ciyaalka Xaafada. Pass a Method talk 18:12, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Ties to Minnesota

This needs to "see also" to the MSP Minneapolis article. He is forever tied to the MSP area. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:21, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

With respect, that is irrelevant. He wasn't born there, lived other places as well (Yemen), and doesn't reside there now (he lives in LA). Per WP:BLPSEEALSO, see also links in bios are held to a higher standard than for other topics. More germane internal links would be other Somali filmmakers, such as Abdisalam Aato. Middayexpress (talk) 17:45, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

1. Let's find out if a city he lived in as a high school student and then as a working adult is relevant:

• Brunswick, Mark. "Somali actor Barkhad Abdi's criminal past snarls travels." Minneapolis Star Tribune. March 25, 2014. - Describes him as a "Minnesota actor" and... "Abdi, who is said to be splitting time between Los Angeles and Minneapolis," also: "It is unclear whether the current situation with federal authorities will have an impact on some of his activities in Minnesota and in his acting career in Hollywood. Abdi is slated to throw out the first pitch for the Minnesota Twins home opener and is a pitchman for MNsure, the state’s health insurance marketplace."
• Covert, Colin. "First-time Minneapolis actor Barkhad Abdi is in "state of shock” over his sudden fame." Minneapolis Star Tribune. January 12, 2014. "The avalanche of awards nominations coming his way has kept Abdi, who still lives in Minneapolis," (So at the time he became famous he still lived in MSP)
• Walker, Tim. "Captain Phillips actor Barkhad Abdi struggles financially despite Oscar nomination." The Independent. Wednesday 5 March 2014. "Abdi was working as a limousine driver in Minnesota when, in 2011, he attended an open casting call for Captain Phillips," and "After the premiere of Captain Phillips, Abdi moved to Hollywood to pursue a career in acting, and he now lives in Los Angeles with his friend from Minnesota, Faysal Ahmed, who played another of the film’s pirates."

People can and do have formidable moments and gain extensive ties to any city they live in, not just their current residence or place of birth

2. Wikipedia:BLPSEEALSO#Further_reading_and_external_links states: "Similarly, "See also" links should not be used to imply any contentious categorization or claim about a living person." (the only sentence dealing specifically with see alsos) - So in which way do you think this applies to him? (the bit of "higher standard" is related to external links)

WhisperToMe (talk) 23:00, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

 Comment: - Cited two sources at History of the Somalis in Minneapolis–Saint Paul to have him included. Minneapolis newspapers consider him to be a native of the city WhisperToMe (talk) 23:15, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Don't see how that contradicts what I just wrote. The Twin Cities link here would imply that he is somehow representative of Somalis in that area, when in reality he was unknown until last year. A native is also someone who was "born or grown in the region in which it lives or is found; not foreign or imported." The word is etymologically related to the French term "naître", which means "to be born". It is a synonym for indigenous, endemic or aboriginal. The fact is, he was born in Mogadishu, Somalia. That makes him a native of Mogadishu. He then lived in Yemen for several years. His family subsequently moved to the United States, where he started attending schools in Minneapolis. He eventually began an acting career and now resides in Los Angeles, as bulleted above. He moved there to pursue his career full-time, so it's not temporary [1]. That makes him a resident of Los Angeles. Middayexpress (talk) 15:10, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

1. The rationale for keeping him off the list was that he had no connection to the area/it's not relevant. Quite frankly the moment I found the news articles that call him a "Somali in Minneapolis" it is my opinion that this belief was disproven.

2. "The Twin Cities link here would imply that he is somehow representative of Somalis in that area" - The title is "Notable residents" - It is supposed to be broad and it is supposed to be a catch-all - Any Somali who has lived in MSP for a significant period of time/has some connection is supposed to be on this list. It's not appropriate to put in some stringent arbitrary standard. It does not imply that his accomplishments, opinions are beliefs are "somehow representative of Somalis in that area" - It means he is Wikipedia-notable and an ethnic Somali who has a significant connection to MSP. In any case, the reliable sources are clear that the casting call that got him was clearly looking for MSP Somalis so the people who hired him thought that he was representative of this community.

3. This is the important factor: Wikipedia is based on what reliable secondary sources say. Reliable sources identify him as a "Somali in Minnepolis" and treat him as a "native of Minneapolis". It does not matter that he was born in Somalia, or lived in Yemen for a few years. You can have connection to wherever you have lived as a working adult and went to high school (a milestone in life!)

4. At this point I think trying to keep him not connected/off the list is trying to second-guess the reliable sources, when the purpose of Wikipedia is to be a tertiary source which chronicles that other sources say.

WhisperToMe (talk) 00:47, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Well not quite. The rationale was that he was born in Mogadishu, lived for a number of years in other places as well, and permanently resides in Los Angeles now. He is thus both a native of Mogadishu (since a native is someone who is indigenous to a given area; that's what it means etymologically), and literally a resident of Los Angeles. Also, the casting search was worldwide, not just limited to Minneapolis. And ironically, per the casting director herself, he was selected specifically because he "stuck out", not because he was representative. He was altogether unknown prior to that. Anyway, I do understand your perspective. Residence isn't something subjective; a person either lives somewhere or they don't. I've had a look at the template parameters for the residence field, and it suggests that it is reserved for location(s) where the person notably resides/resided, if different from their birth place. So technically, that would include all areas where he has lived besides Mogadishu. Middayexpress (talk) 18:33, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Some people can live in a different place for a different amount of time, or a different reason. "Army brats" may move around so much they are not "native" to any of the places they've lived. Current/former residence is something objective, but what I'm not discussing is the simple residence, but something deeper. Is there a connection? Is this person considered a "native"? Or is he "from" that place? I don't think there's an objective criteria. A person may be born in Mobile, Alabama, but move to Houston when he's three. Then he lives in Houston until graduating from high school. The Minneapolis papers believe he is "from" Minneapolis. Currently Wikipedia:WikiProject Minnesota has this article as part of the WikiProject and sets it as "High" priority. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:17, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Per the actual template parameter, the criteria is indeed objective: "residence[...] location(s) where the person notably resides/resided, if different from birth place". Had the temp indicated something different, that would be another matter. Middayexpress (talk) 13:07, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

The edits I have made to the article have not affected this template. The matter is linking this article to History of the Somalis in Minneapolis–Saint Paul and linking that article to this one. That what I care about, and that is what I want. WhisperToMe (talk) 14:52, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I know that. The point is, the parameter is the only wiki-policy statement anywhere on the residence criteria. And it indicates that residence is basically where the person notably resides/resided besides where he/she was born. So in his case, that's Yemen, Minneapolis and Los Angeles besides Mogadishu, his actual place of birth. Based on that residence parameter, I already linked from there to this page. However, a see also link from here to the general page implies something more i.e. that he is somehow representative of all Somalis in Minneapolis, when per the casting director he was actually chosen specifically because he stuck out, and was hitherto unknown to boot. It would make more sense on Saado Ali Warsame, who is a community doyenne. Middayexpress (talk) 15:43, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I think the best question is not whether he is "representative" of the community, but whether he is a part of it. There may be people who are "unique" or "stick out" but at the end of the day, they have a certain ethnic background and are thought to be a part of the community even if they don't subscribe to all of the ethnic practices or the "typical" profile. One interesting thing about ethnicity and ethnic identity is that it's flexible and can cover many types of people (from recent immigrants to third or fourth generation Americans) and many situations. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:25, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

There's no question he is Somali. That's what his actual genealogy is and shall remain (i.e. he belongs to a Somali paternal clan), regardless of how long he has resided someplace. However, the Somalis in the Twin Cities link pertains to more than just him; it pertains to all lineal Somalis in the area. A link from here to that page thus does necessarily imply that he is representative of the Somali community as a whole, not merely that he is a part of it. As such, it is much more appropriate on the Saado Ali Warsame page. Middayexpress (talk) 15:07, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Muslim

He is in the category but there is no reference in the article. 62.64.152.154 (talk) 16:20, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

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Spoken languages?

He seemed like he really knew another language in the film. What language was it? 198.48.234.244 (talk) 21:52, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Additional Movie Credits

2017 Movie, Extortion 69.206.134.202 (talk) 23:53, 20 February 2023 (UTC)