Talk:Banksia aemula

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ucucha 06:30, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

• Shouldn't R. Br. be R.Br.?

I think so, as the [western autralian and national herbaria have it thus. If I left any spaces they are accidental. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:32, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

• If serratifolia is a nomen dubium, why is it listed as a synonym? (Don't know what is customary for plants in such cases.)

Gosh, you're right, the national website calls it a misapplication not a synonym, but I guess the New South Wales folk are stubborn...Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:37, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

• Does it also grow on Wallum as a tree?

It can do. will add. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:05, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

• Why don't the measurements of the wedge-shaped body have conversions?

oversight. fixed now Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:43, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

• "Finally, the follicles are smaller."—please cite

done. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:05, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

• Mention that elatior is a comparative, thus meaning "more elevated"? (Don't know whether your sources cover this.)

aargh, I have no Latin syntax books anymore which is why I worded it as thus. The only ref I have for a comparative form elatior is a fungus book - thanks to Cortinarius elatior. I'd be happy for a better ref. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:32, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

• You don't know which indigenous people called it banyalla?

I have been looking unsuccessfully. Will try a few permutations on google. Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:43, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

• What was it called outside NSW while serratifolia was in use?

aemula Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:43, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps mention this in the article. Also, you once say that B. menziesii was placed in Oncostylis—is this an oversight for aemula? Perhaps it's also good to give the placement of serratifolia in the old arrangements, as if I understand it correctly both were considered as valid species. Ucucha 06:26, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I did mention it in the lead and taxonomy section but if you missed it it might not be very clear. Essentially, folks knew from early on that serratifolia came to equal aemula and most used aemula (except NSW for some reason, which claimed Salisbury's name had precedence, which it did, until George realised the description failed to diagnose the species and therefore stated it was a misapplication. This settled everyone into using aemula from 1981 - a pity as I like the longer name as it clearly shows an affinity with B. serrata, but them's the breaks. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:24, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I think you should add something like that to the article; it makes the situation a lot clearer than the current text. Also, how can Sirmuellera serratifolia be a nomenclatural synonym of B. aemula (as opposed to B. serratifolia)? Ucucha 17:36, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I tried to rejig it - how is that? I can have another go if still unclear. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:22, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I need to go now, and will finish the review and post a literature search hopefully later today. Ucucha 06:30, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

• "Several other honeyeaters were recorded for the Banksia Atlas including the New Holland, Brown, White-cheeked, and Tawny-crowned Honeyeaters, Noisy Miner, Little Wattlebird and Noisy Friarbird."—recorded on B. aemula inflorescences? Also, why do species recorded for The Banksia Atlas need to be separated from the others?

The The Banksia Atlas was a notable project in its own right - but I was mainly trying to reflect which sources had said or found what. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:23, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Sources:

Title: Effects of fire on the structure and composition of open eucalypt forests

Author(s): Spencer, RJ; Baxter, GS

Source: AUSTRAL ECOLOGY Volume: 31 Issue: 5 Pages: 638-646 Published: AUG 2006

• Apparently doesn't have much on Banksia at all.

• Agreed - funny that. Doesn't discuss it at all apart from mentioning it as a component. Oh well.... Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:37, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Title: The influence of fire and rainfall upon seedling recruitment in sand-mass (wallum) heathland of north-eastern New South Wales

Author(s): Griffith, SJ; Bale, C; Adam, P

Source: AUSTRALIAN JOURNAL OF BOTANY Volume: 52 Issue: 1 Pages: 93-118 Published: 2004

Added. Good one that. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:51, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Title: Is photosynthesis related to concentrations of nitrogen and Rubisco in leaves of Australian native plants?

Author(s): Warren, CR; Adams, MA; Chen, ZL

Source: AUSTRALIAN JOURNAL OF PLANT PHYSIOLOGY Volume: 27 Issue: 5 Pages: 407-416 Published: 2000

That has to be one of the dryest articles I've read in a long time! The results aren't dramatic and alot of it seems somewhat speculative so I can't see anything to interest the general reader in that one. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:25, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Title: Seeking Phytophthora resistant banksias.

Author(s): McCredie, T.; Dixon, K.; Sivasithamparam, K., et al.

Source: Australian Horticulture Volume: 83 Issue: 4 Pages: 48...51 Published: 1985

• Abstract only says it copes with dieback well, which is already in the article.

• Yeah, I had the original article by McCredie et al. which antedates the above one somewhere. Covered Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Title: GROWTH RHYTHMS AND PRODUCTIVITY OF A COASTAL SUB-TROPICAL EUCALYPT FOREST

Author(s): ROGERS, RW; WESTMAN, WE

Source: AUSTRALIAN JOURNAL OF ECOLOGY Volume: 6 Issue: 1 Pages: 85-98 Published: 1981

I found another paper by Westerman which describes aemula s role in detail in that forest. However the above paper looks interesting... Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC) Added now. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:10, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Title: Germination of some Banksia species.

Author(s): Heslehurst, M. R.

Source: Australian Plants Volume: 10 Issue: 80 Pages: 176-177 Published: 1979

• Abstract says it needs warm conditions to germinate.

• Got that Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:06, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Title: GERMINATION CHARACTERISTICS OF SOME BANKSIA SPECIES

Author(s): SONIA, L; HESLEHURST, MR

Source: AUSTRALIAN JOURNAL OF ECOLOGY Volume: 3 Issue: 2 Pages: 179-186 Published: 1978

• One of the same authors as the preceding. I saw the abstract I recall - same info. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:06, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Title: THE HEATH SAVANNA PROBLEM THE EFFECT OF FERTILIZER ON SAND HEATH VEGETATION OF NORTH STRADBROKE ISLAND QUEENSLAND

Author(s): SPECHT R L; CONNOR D J; CLIFFORD H T

Source: Australian Journal of Ecology Volume: 2 Issue: 2 Pages: 179-186 Published: 1977

Title: BIOMASS AND STRUCTURE OF A SUBTROPICAL EUCALYPT FOREST, NORTH STRADBROKE ISLAND

Author(s): WESTMAN, WE; ROGERS, RW

Source: AUSTRALIAN JOURNAL OF BOTANY Volume: 25 Issue: 2 Pages: 171-191 Published: 1977

added. interesting paper with good info. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:59, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Title: A REVIEW OF RESEARCH FINDINGS CONCERNED WITH PASTORAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE WALLUM OF SOUTHEASTERN QUEENSLAND

Author(s): BRYAN W W

Source: Tropical Grasslands Volume: 7 Issue: 2 Pages: 175-194 Published: 1973

Only really mentions B. aemula in passing. it is about how to improve the soil for agriculture. Depressing.... Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Title: PHYTOPHTHORA-CINNAMOMI IN INDIGENOUS FLORA IN SOUTHERN QUEENSLAND

Author(s): PEGG, KG; ALCORN, JL

Source: SEARCH Volume: 3 Issue: 7 Pages: 257-& Published: 1972

• Under B. serratifolia:

Title: VARIABILITY IN SUSCEPTIBILITY OF SOME BANKSIA SPECIES TO PHYTOPHTHORA-CINNAMOMI AND THEIR DISTRIBUTION IN AUSTRALIA

Author(s): CHO, JJ

Source: PLANT DISEASE Volume: 67 Issue: 8 Pages: 869-871 Published: 1983

this replicates information elsewhere, but might be useful to add as bolsters other study geographic lcoation difference is good, so added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:51, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Title: GROWTH OF HEATH VEGETATION .4. EFFECTS OF TEMPERATURE ON GROWTH OF BANKSIA-ORNATA, BANKSIA-SERRATA AND BANKSIA-SERRATIFOLIA

Author(s): GROVES, RH

Source: AUSTRALIAN JOURNAL OF BOTANY Volume: 26 Issue: 1 Pages: 45-51 Published: 1978

Fascinating paper, and will be very useful when/f I ever do Banksia ornata - focusses on how that species doesn't grow as well as the other two species in warmer temperatures, and touches on evolution of that species. It is a little off-topic for this article but intriguing nonethelless. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Title: STUDIES IN ECOLOGY OF COASTAL HEATH IN NEW SOUTH-WALES .4. SEED SURVIVAL, GERMINATION, SEEDLING ESTABLISHMENT AND EARLY GROWTH IN BANKSIA-SERRATIFOLIA SALISB, B-ASPLENIIFOLIA SALISB AND B-ERICIFOLIA LF IN RELATION TO FIRE - TEMPERATURE AND NUTRITIONAL EFFECTS

Author(s): SIDDIQI, MY; MYERSCOUGH, PJ; CAROLIN, RC

Source: AUSTRALIAN JOURNAL OF ECOLOGY Volume: 1 Issue: 3 Pages: 175-183 Published: 1976

added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:47, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Title: STUDIES IN THE ECOLOGY OF COASTAL HEALTH IN NEW-SOUTH-WALES AUSTRALIA PART 2 THE EFFECTS OF WATER SUPPLY AND PHOSPHORUS UPTAKE ON THE GROWTH OF BANKSIA-SERRATIFOLIA BANKSIA-ASPLENIIFOLIA AND BANKSIA-ERICIFOLIA

Author(s): SIDDIQI M Y; CAROLIN R C

Source: Proceedings of the Linnean Society of New South Wales Volume: 101 Issue: 1 Pages: 38-52 Published: 1976

Ucucha 08:54, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

There is nothing left above that has much to do with the GA criteria (and indeed there hasn't been for some time), so I am passing this as a GA. For FAC, some of the papers listed above may provide additional useful information. Ucucha 06:17, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks - I am working through them now. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:25, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Cagematch...

... fungus against the wallum banksia. Sasata (talk) 04:38, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Damn, I was just up at the Sunshine coast a few weeks ago....could have hunted around for some brown spotty leaves :P Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:34, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Sister project links

Do we really need all the sister project links at the bottom? Links to Wikidata may be considered redundant because of the link in the sidebar. The 5 links to Wikisource especially feel like spam. This article needs to be cleaned up since it's going to be featured. --MCEllis (talk) 19:27, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

I did end up cleaning up some of these links just before it was featured. I think removing the Wikidata link is also best.--MCEllis (talk) 06:46, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi MCEllis. I feel that WikiData is short shrifted and should get all the advertising possible. Very few editors know about it or contribute to it at this juncture. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 00:27, 23 February 2016 (UTC)