Talk:Banded broadbill

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ealdgyth (talk · contribs) 13:42, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

I'll get to this in the next few days. Ealdgyth (talk) 13:42, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Ealdgyth, just a reminder. AryKun (talk) 14:45, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Should be today or tomorrow... I got sucked into a longer-than-expected-meeting yesterday... Ealdgyth (talk) 15:39, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

• Lead:
  • "during the dry season" for non-locals .. when is that?
    • The source doesn't say, and since the onset of the monsoon varies from place to place within the region, giving one date would be disingenuous.
• Taxonomy:
  • "This clade is sister" which clade - the one with black-and-red and silver-breasted broadbills or the clade with Sarcophanops?
    • Changed to "larger clade", which I hope is clearer.
• Vocalization:
  • "Soft calls made during displays" I presume this is mating displays?
    • Wing displays that are described later on in the article; clarified.
• Breeding:
  • "takes place in the dry season following the East Asian Monsoon." again, can we give months for this?
    • See above
  • "Like other typical broadbills" why "typical"?
    • That's the official IOU name for the Eurylaimidae, it seemed better than the more technical term eurylaimid. "typical broadbill family Eurylamidae" is mentioned earlier on, so it should be clear.
• I did a bit of light copyediting, please make sure I didn't change meaning or make any other mistakes.
  • Seems good, reverted one change I thought would be incorrect.
• A very nice article on an interesting bird. Just a few small issues above and we'll be good to go.
• I randomly googled three phrases and only turned up Wikipedia mirrors. Earwig's tool shows no sign of copyright violation.

I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth (talk) 14:22, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

• Ealdgyth, I've dealt with or replied to all the issues you pointed out. AryKun (talk) 06:16, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

• I reworded the sentence with the capitalization issue - so we're good to go. Passing this now. Ealdgyth (talk) 12:34, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 October 2022

Please include a superscript link to this reference "An observation of a Banded Broadbill Eurylaimus javanicus nest in Pasoh Forest Reserve, Peninsular Malaysia" by Susan D. Myers, January 1999 in the breeding section after the words "Nests have been observed being built close to the beehives of species like the Giant Honey Bee..." Here is the link https://www.researchgate.net/publication/242778744_An_observation_of_a_Banded_Broadbill_Eurylaimus_javanicus_nest_in_Pasoh_Forest_Reserve_Peninsular_Malaysia SusanDMyers (talk) 21:32, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:15, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Sea of blue and other lead sentence concerns

At the time of this writing, the lead sentence contains two different links together, typical broadbill family. I tried correcting it so it doesn't look like a single link, but User:AryKun reverted, stating, "two words close together doesn't really constitute SEAOFBLUE and the replacement reads very poorly". But I have to quote the MOS:SEAOFBLUE guideline, which states, "When possible, avoid placing links next to each other so that they look like a single link". Thinker78 (talk) 02:58, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Thinker78, I reverted it because the proposed replacement ("typical broadbill family—Eurylaimidae—found") read poorly and linked at the second mention instead of the first one. It is just two linked words next to each other, which I really don't think is enough to constitute a sea of blue. You could remove one of the links to avoid even this, but that would remove important context for someone who doesn't know the use of family in taxonomy or someone who wants to find out more about broadbills. The last alternative is rewording to make sure that no linked words appear together, which is actually how it was before you tweaked it on the rationale that broadbill is a specialist term that shouldn't be the only explainer of what it is in the first sentence.

I'd much rather have the article go back to the "is a species of typical broadbill found" wording since it avoids all issues with SEAOFBLUE and most bird articles actually start this way (see eg Kelenken and black-breasted buttonquail, the two most recent bird FAs). In any case, the fact that it is a bird is clear from the context and mentioned three lines down, which I hope that even the most cursory reader is going to be paying attention long enough to see. AryKun (talk) 12:20, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@AryKun thanks for your reply. I have some comments regarding your concerns. I will address them one at a time to avoid wall of text at once.

About read very poorly

1. "the proposed replacement [...] read poorly". This is how I modified it: "The banded broadbill (Eurylaimus javanicus) is a species of bird in the typical broadbill family—Eurylaimidae—found in Mainland Southeast Asia".

Please expand more on your criticism if possible. I don't see how it reads poorly. I simply moved the technical family name into emdashes in a similar fashion as the alternative name of the species, which is in parenthesis.

It is typical use of emdashes and I don't see it unduly breaking up the sentence. Although I would say that ideally a sentence does read better without punctuation that distracts the main flow of the reading. But from that to say "reads very poorly", I disagree. Thinker78 (talk) 16:34, 7 October 2022 (UTC)