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- FrancisTyers · 15:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This short outline cannot hope to indicate the richness of the material that Rothschild presents, not only on Bulgarian communism, but on the Macedonian nationalists, the Peasant Union, the Socialists, the Balkan Socialist Federation and its Communist successor, and the Comintern as well.

In plunging into what is virtually a history of Bulgarian domestic politics during the critical years 1918-1925, Rothschild has followed a peculiar scheme of organization that singles out certain political groups (the Communists, the Peasant Unionists, and the various irredentist organizations -- the Macedonians in particular) and describes them consecutively...

Socialists

Were there also Balkan parties in the Socialist International after the Socialist/Communist split in the early twenties? I presume the precursors were members of the Second International, but this should be stated. Septentrionalis 02:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article name

Should this be at Balkan Federation or Balkan Federation movement. Might be more suited, considering the numerous different names... - FrancisTyers · 22:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the present title is highly unsatisfying; both the titles you propose seem good to me.--Aldux 23:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, as well. —Nightst a llion (?) 22:04, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe we should have both articles...--Mladifilozof (talk) 23:52, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Why does it say Macedonia seperately, when it already notes Greece, Yugoslavia and Bulgaria? --HolyRomanEmperor 20:26, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aye, you have a point there... I don't know, either. Remove it? —Nightst a llion (?) 22:04, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Greater Yugoslavia OR

After completing the merge, I'm moving the following content here because it's very implausible without a single source. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:56, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Legacy

The concept of Greater Yugoslavia is held by many Yugoslavs who still identify themselves as Yugoslav today. Yugoslav nationalists who advocate the creation of a Greater Yugoslavia support the inclusion of Bulgaria into the federation. Those nationalists are often seen as minimalists because of radical nationalists who seek to expand Yugoslavia's borders beyond south of Montenegro, south and east of Bulgaria including Eastern Thrace, Western Thrace, Albania and parts of Anatolia. The radicals often say the reasoning behind such expansion of territory is because they want to ensure military power, economic strength, and the expansion of Yugoslav culture and language will be equal to or better than Russia in their goal to create a "Russia of the South"

Written by User:Wikiisunbiased in the original revision of "Greater Yugoslavia"

Greater Yugoslavia was not only proposed in a Balkan Federation by Tito - split article and allow a an article on Greater Yugoslavia

The merger of Greater Yugoslavia into this article is not appropriate, I restored it as an independent article but it was reverted. The reason why it is inappropriate is because I have found sources demonstrating that a Greater Yugoslavia was advocated during the period of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia - and not Tito's Balkan Federation pursued by the government of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. The Balkan Federation furthermore was a federation of states that included a Greater Yugoslavia within it, but Romania that was included in the Federation was not going to be annexed into Yugoslavia. It was a federation promoted by Tito and the SFRY. Greater Yugoslavia was supported by both the Kingdom of Yugoslavia and Tito, as well as the British government in 1941 - again prior to the SFRY. Here is what I added when, it clearly states that a Greater Yugoslavia was pursued before the SFRY:

Greater Yugoslavia refers to a Yugoslavia comprising its historically united territories of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Montenegro, Serbia including the disputed territory of Kosovo, Slovenia, and Vardar Macedonia; merged with territories claimed by Yugoslavists, including Bulgaria and Aegean Macedonia and in some proposals other territories. The government of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia sought the union of Bulgaria into Yugoslavia.^[1] The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia under Josip Broz Tito sought to create a Greater Yugoslavia that would incorporate within Yugoslavia's borders: Aegean Macedonia, Albania, Bulgaria, at least a portion of Austrian Carinthia, and for a time beginning in November 1943 had claimed the entire territory of Venezia Giula.^[2]

After the outbreak of World War II, the British government supported the creation of a Greater Yugoslavia after the war due to opposition to the Bulgarian government's accession to the Axis Powers, in May 1941 endorsing Dr. Malcom Burr's paper in favour of the incorporation of Bulgaria into Yugoslavia after the war.^[3]

^ Cecil Frank Melville. Balkan racket: the inside story of the political gangster plot which destroyed Yugoslavia and drove Britain out of the Balkans. Jarrold, 1941. Pp. 61.
^ Sabrina P. Ramet. The three Yugoslavias: state-building and legitimation, 1918-2005. Bloomington, Indiana, USA: Indiana University Press, 2006. Pp. 172.
^ Dimitris Livanios. The Macedonian question: Britain and the southern Balkans: 1939-1949. Oxford, England, UK: Oxford University Press, 2008 Pp. 103.

As you can see it is distinct from the Balkan Federation - Greater Yugoslavia existed prior to the SFRY's support of such a federation, and proponents of a Greater Yugoslavia including both the Kingdom of Yugoslavia and the SFRY never sought to annex the whole of Greece and Romania into a Greater Yugoslavia.--R-41 (talk) 15:44, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The idea of Greater Yugoslavia was only one of the unrealized kinds of the idea for Balkan Federation, i.e. Yugoslavia was realized kind of Balkan Federation. This idea can be mentioned in the article, but a different article will be redundant. Jingiby (talk) 15:51, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But the Balkan Federation was not a Greater Yugoslavia - it was a federation of independent states that included a Greater Yugoslavia holding Albania - Romania, Greece, or Bulgaria were not going to be annexed to Yugoslavia. Secondly, as I mentioned the concept of a Greater Yugoslavia was supported by the Kingdom of Yugoslavia that sought to annex Bulgaria into what was a centralized Yugoslav state - and not a federation. The Kingdom's goal of a Greater Yugoslavia is not related to the Balkan Federation.--R-41 (talk) 15:56, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The article says that the Balkan Federation was a left-wing revolutionary socialist idea and says "The central aim was to establish a new political unity: a common federal republic unifying the Balkan Peninsula on the basis of internationalism, socialism, social solidarity, and economic equality.". This has nothing to do with the general idea of a Greater Yugoslavia as promoted by the Kingdom of Yugoslavia - a conservative royalist dictatorship since 1929.--R-41 (talk) 16:02, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Then put this conception into the history of Yugoslavia or in Yugoslavism. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 08:03, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are articles on Greater Croatia, Greater Serbia, Greater Germany, Greater Netherlands, and Greater Italy, amongst others. It is perfectly acceptable to have an article on Greater Yugoslavia just as there is this article on the Balkan Federation. I am restoring the article now, the previous discussion that determined to redirect it here was unaware that the concept of Greater Yugoslavia occurred outside the SFRY-supported Balkan Federation - the Balkan Federation included a Greater Yugoslavia within it, but also had several sovereign states in the federation.--R-41 (talk) 00:00, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Cecil Frank Melville. Balkan racket: the inside story of the political gangster plot which destroyed Yugoslavia and drove Britain out of the Balkans. Jarrold, 1941. Pp. 61.

[2] Sabrina P. Ramet. The three Yugoslavias: state-building and legitimation, 1918-2005. Bloomington, Indiana, USA: Indiana University Press, 2006. Pp. 172.

[3] Dimitris Livanios. The Macedonian question: Britain and the southern Balkans: 1939-1949. Oxford, England, UK: Oxford University Press, 2008 Pp. 103.

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