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Should this be at Baku or remain here at Baky (not to mention Baki)? Numerous sources seem to use Baku -- Docu
Why is this article called "Baky"? This is simply wrong. There is no such city. The officially and universally-accepted English spelling is "Baku." It is used everywhere, including Azerbaijani official sources. "Baky" is a mere speculation, based on Azeri pronunciation of the city's name. However, it is not correct. The article, therefore, should be titled "Baku." In any event, the correct spelling is used throughout the entire article, except its heading.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.51.81.99 (talk) 07:07, October 23, 2005
Clickable Jesus
Uh, why is Jesus even mentioned? Couldn't we state that this city was established several centuries before common era? and Why is it clickable? That's not very necessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.124.67.225 (talk • contribs) 07:26, December 25, 2005
larger scale map
Could a larger scale map be added to show where this place is in the world? At the very least, the caption for the existing map (of Azerbaijan) should be relabeled something like "The Baku Region of Azerbaijan" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gloryroad (talk • contribs) 01:18, October 31, 2006
Copyright!
The history section is an exact copy of [1] even with same grammatical errors like ...an earthquake destroyed Shemakha and the of the 12th century and the Shirvanshah... Pouya 05:26, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Maiden's Tower
The link to Maiden's Tower is a badly placed one, because the Maiden's tower it links to is the one near Istanbul, not that in Baku. I removed the link (not knowing what better to do) --Jacobolus 09:58, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I've now added a page Maiden Tower (Baku), and added some very minimal information to that page. Someone who knows more should fix it up and add explanation. --Jacobolus 22:34, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Metro
Hello everyone, I want to create a megaportal on the Metro systems of the FSU and some eastern European ones (with potentially expanding to cover other things like railroad city transportt etc), if you are interested in giving a helping hand have look at how we wrote the entries for Moscow, Saint Petersburg and Kiev. If anyone wants to start the Baku section please go ahead.Kuban kazak 23:46, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Please add [[it:Baku]]
You can also add [[sr:Баку]] --Dungo (talk) 18:26, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Mount of God !!!!!!!!
I know farsi and I know that Bagh-Kuh doesn't mean "Mount of God". It means "Mountain Garden", Bagh is garden and kuh is mountain. But where is God here?
- It is talking about ancient Persian word for god, baga (OP), later bagh. Same thing in Baghdad. The Behnam 04:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
This has nothing to do with modern Farsi, which has nearly 30% Arabic loan words in it. The word "Baga" means "God" in ancient Avestan (language of ancient Iranians and of the early Avesta of the Zoroastrians) and Sanskrit languages. The same root forms "Baga-dad" or "gift from God", which is now Baghdad
Needs info on Universities
If I had any idea, I would add info. Bobak 22:46, 14 April 2006 (UTC) Nevermind, worked it through myself. Bobak 23:47, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
History needs expansion
Particularly the oil boom years around the turn of the 19th/20th century. So much interesting stuff that I wish I knew well enough to add. So many interesting names like Alfred Nobel as well as all the massive construction and development that gave Baku it's European character of today. --Bobak 23:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
See Azerbaijani Oil
Coat of arms
The current coat of arms is apparently obsolete, I'll try to fix it within several days. --Brand спойт 12:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- Are you sure this is the new coat of arms, I havent seen it before though Baku87 11:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, the one on the page now is the current coat of arms. Three flames on the black background was used at the times of tsarist Russia. Three flames and waves on the blue background is the modern CoA. Grandmaster 15:05, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- It's pretty. --Golbez 21:10, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Fire temple at Surakhany
I've removed the line (under "Antiquity") that read: "The city was the location of an important fire temple of the Persian religion of Zoroastrianism ..."
If that was a reference to the temple at Surakhany, then its specious with respect to the religion and date ("antiquity"). There is no evidence that the Surakhany complex was ever used by Zoroastrians, and its missing all the hallmarks of a Zoroastrian fire temple (for instance, the central altar at Surakhany is open to all sides). All existing physical evidence (inscriptions et al, see Fire Temple of Baku) clearly indicates that it was a Hindu temple, an opinion that the museum's staff unequivocally express. That the Surakhany site may have once been the location of a Zoroastrian temple is possible, but (AFAIK) unprovable. If it was (in which case some proof would be nice, since it would be the only one of its kind to use naptha), it would have been some form other than the existing one. -- Fullstop 13:00, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Information Transfer
Guys, I'm working on a project to increase the amount of tourism information on Azerbaijan, and I was wondering if you all could help start transferring some of Baku's information to the wikitravel site-http://wikitravel.org/en/Baku? I want to know how it works collaborating between the two web pages also. Thanks!! Jowa5813 08:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Map
Where is the map? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.184.43 (talk) 00:48, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Deletion of prominent persons
Brandmeister, clening up is never means biased deletion of prominent peoples from Baku (those who have any Armenian roots)! Such a deletions must be explained and discussed here at first!Andranikpasha 12:29, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Deletion of prominent persons
Brandmeister, clening up is never means biased deletion of prominent peoples from Baku (those who have any Armenian and Jewish roots)! Such a deletion must be explained and discussed here at first!Andranikpasha 12:36, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
- I wanted to add Vagif Mustafazadeh to the list of prominent people from Baku, and saw what a mess it was! So I tried to organize them. I also eliminate a bunch of random references to ethnicities. I really do think that what made Baku special was that at certain times in history, most people didn't care about such things. Best, Eliezg (talk) 16:51, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Eliezg, pls stop to delete descriptions only for prominent Armenian persons. This is an encyclopedia and I dont know who cares and who do not cares its ethnicity (Armenian dont mean just of that ethnics, but thay was the representatives of that culture/tradicion and sometimes contributed to Armenian culture/science/sports etc.). Unfortunately Baku had not only that certain times but also the pogrom and discrimination times... Andranikpasha (talk) 15:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
- Andrakipasha, I was writing the following while you wrote your response. Perhaps yuo will consider it's arguments:
- Why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why must every person in a list of people from BAKU - almost all born in cosmopoliton Soviet Baku, be ethnically identified? What possible benefit is there for readers to identify Yevgeny Petrosyan and Garry Kasparov, both of mixed heritage and self-identified Russians (российский the nationality rather than русский the ethnicity) as unambiguously "Armenian"? It might make SOME sense for those that became citizens of Armenia, for example, but then one should be consistent an identify those that became American or Israeli or Russian or whatever - and in a list even that seems like potentially too much information. I beg to differ from Andranikpasha's assertion that insertion of ethnicities is "according to the common practics." Says who, where, why? No list of notable people (say, to take a random example, from Providence, Rhode Island) needs to identify people as "German", "Anglo-Scotch", "Autro-Jewish", "Italian-Irish", "Afro-Czecho-Hungarian", or whatever ... not even those people for whom ethnicity could very well have played an important role (e.g. African Americans that faced institutional racism during their careers). I understand that there is national pride and high feelings related to some topics regarding Azerbaijan and Armenia, but why bring this to an innocuous list of people from Baku - a city which "belonged" for a long time to ALL of the Caucasus? For the time being I simply reverted all of these changes, but perhaps a compromise can be reached before these edits escalate? Welcoming feedback ..... Eliezg (talk) 15:47, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Just some points:
- "Yevgeny Petrosyan and Garry Kasparov, both of mixed heritage and self-identified Russians(any source?)". I never write they are Armenians! its a discussion with another user. By the way Kasparov and his family were emigrated from this internationalist city during the anti-Armenian pogroms.
- "No list of notable people needs to identify people as "German", or whatever ..." Yes if no Armenian (German, etc.) pogroms happened in that city and the whole Armenian population fled it.
- I think what you're doing is biased editwarring but if you re of another opinion just try to start from the Azeri/Azerbaijani persons. Then we will discuss the Armenians who seems to be only "ethnic/tradition-less and internationalist" persons in this list... Andranikpasha (talk) 16:11, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
- Dear Andranikpasha, please believe me when I say I am not biased or motivated by bias - certainly not ethnic or in any way pro-Azeri nationalist bias. My feelings (subjective, non-expert, outsider opinion) is that the violence in Baku against ethnic Armenians was an incredible, unconditional tragedy, and that the subsequent exodus of diverse groups was an absolute, possibly irredeemable gutting of it's soul. Furthermore, more of that aspect of Baku's history could (probably should) be emphasized in the article - the violence which occurred there in the early 1990's is basically brushed over. In my humble, irrelevant opinion, modern-day Baku is politically/socially/culturally in relatively sad shape. However, there was something about that place that generated a lot of intellectual/cultural energy in Soviet times- and that something was a certain cosmopolitanism and an environment where the DEEP, RICH, cultural traditions of various peoples (azeri, armenian, georgian, jewish, russian, etc.) could interact in an environment which, though probably always somewhat charged, was at least officially anti-nationalistic (do you agree?). In that light, I thought underlining ethnicities were somewhat annoying and not particularly consistent with Wikipedia "standards" (do these really exist?). The silliness of the Petrosyan/Kasparov edits (which I fully realize were not yours - but nor was my response directed specifically at you) sort of pushed me over the edge and made me think that maybe it is best to eliminate all ethnic references. As the article stands now after your last massage, I think it is fine and definitely not worth warring over. A more constructive project with respect to the article would be addressing the violence which did occur there during the transition period. With respect, Eliezg (talk) 17:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
March days
Added some small details to the lines talking about the March Days per the header we settled for on the event's article. It's more accurate than the previous sentence which totally makes it look like a one-sided affair with only one perpetrator (ARF). - Fedayee (talk) 16:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
History and Oil Boom Edits
I added some information and references in the oil boom section. As only one paragraph is pertinent to oil, it may be better to just merge two parts into History section. I will work on that. Thanks. Atabek (talk) 18:08, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
- I put all names in alphabetic order of last names, and removed classification by ethnicity, as all mentioned people originated from Baku regardless. Those interested in particulars of prominent individual can click on Wikilinked page to get further information. Thanks. Atabek (talk) 22:56, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Pictures
Cant we get more pictures from Baku during night? Baku87 (talk) 13:10, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Dubious
The link to IranChamber.com does not open, perhaps, someone can add a more legitimate and neutral reference to the analysis of Baku's name. Thanks. Atabek (talk) 17:46, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Pollution?
Baku was recently rated [#1 most polluted city in the world] by Forbes. It says pollution from the oil industry has drastically affected the quality of life, but I know nothing about it. Maybe someone more informed can add a note about it. Citizen Premier (talk) 03:46, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, there are plenty of oil polluted areas around the city of Baku, which is a result of Soviet economic policy, which drained the country's natural resources without any regard to the environmental protection. It is one of the problems that this new country has to deal with. Grandmaster (talk) 06:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- Apparently continous constructions and the building dust also do their :) --Brand спойт 20:16, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Baku's environmental problems are a big issue. If someone else doesn't do a section I will, even though I'm just a foreigner.24.108.37.224 (talk) 18:00, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
I've looked at the FA Dhaka as a good model, and they have one sentence in the climate section. Since Baku and Dhaka were coincidentally #1 and #2 on the 2008 Forbes list, it made a perfect example. I've therefore added a succinct, but strong sentence under Climate in this edit. I hope it will work. --Bobak (talk) 23:45, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Notable persons spam
I realize there are many people originating from Baku in business, but some standards of notability exist in inserting personal advertisements into Wikipedia page. Atabəy (talk) 17:30, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Gallery
I notice that there seems to be a slow-motion edit war over which pictures to include in the gallery. I propose that further changes - additions, removals, substitutions - be discussed here. I hope we can reach a stable consensus here; there are plenty of good images without this constant switching back and forth. Thank you, Kafka Liz (talk) 20:17, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Cambridge to Houston
I am not sure why Cambridge was indicated as a sister city to Baku and Houston wasn't. Cambridge is actually a sister city to Yerevan, not Baku. Tuscumbia (talk) 17:12, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
lot of photos
Here[2] there are many photos of Baku can use them for article.
--81.21.83.136 (talk) 06:26, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot. I will try to fit in the article --NovaSkola (talk) 16:05, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
March Days
The source (Journal of Contemporary History, Vol 36, No. 2, (Apr. 2001), p. 228) provided in the History, Oil Boom section does not say "using the support of the Dashnak Armenian militia in the city". Kevorkmail (talk) 19:35, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- What does it say? --Quantum666 (talk) 14:53, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- If you are not blind you can read and see. Kevorkmail (talk) 20:12, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- I am not blind and found that the source contains such statement. --Quantum666 (talk) 06:02, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- If you are not blind you can read and see. Kevorkmail (talk) 20:12, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Well, I can give you the online source to convince you. You can check it Майкл СМИТ. Память об утратах и азербайджанское общество Все это подготовило почву для мартовских событий, когда 30 марта - 3 апреля русские и дашнакские войска, подчиняющиеся Совету, стремясь установить контроль над бакинскими улицами, столкнулись с вооруженными мусульманскими группами. Мусульмане потерпели сокрушительное поражение от объединенных сил бакинского Совета, а затем испытали на себе всю безудержную свирепость дашнакских отрядов. As far as I know you can read Russian, can't you?
- No, I can't read Russian, I'm from Syria, but the English text does not mention to "Dashnak militia", it only states "under the sway of Dashnak nationalists". Kevorkmail (talk) 06:36, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Should I translate the text for you? --Quantum666 (talk) 06:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- No, as I told you, the English text is clearly states "under the sway of Dashnak nationalists" and not "with the support of Dashnak Militia", so do not play with the words. Kevorkmail (talk) 06:59, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Do you offer to ignore the independent source? --Quantum666 (talk) 07:05, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- No, I mean that the English text of the provided source states "under the sway of Dashnak nationalists", while the other source does not refer to Dashnaks, it only talks about clashes in the city. Kevorkmail (talk) 07:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- I gave you the source in Russian talking about dashnak militia. Do you offer to ignore it? --Quantum666 (talk) 07:25, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Seems you do not want to get my point... let's finish. Kevorkmail (talk) 07:31, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- I got your point. Can you answer my simple question? --Quantum666 (talk) 08:10, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Seems you do not want to get my point... let's finish. Kevorkmail (talk) 07:31, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- I gave you the source in Russian talking about dashnak militia. Do you offer to ignore it? --Quantum666 (talk) 07:25, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- No, I mean that the English text of the provided source states "under the sway of Dashnak nationalists", while the other source does not refer to Dashnaks, it only talks about clashes in the city. Kevorkmail (talk) 07:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Do you offer to ignore the independent source? --Quantum666 (talk) 07:05, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- No, I can't read Russian, I'm from Syria, but the English text does not mention to "Dashnak militia", it only states "under the sway of Dashnak nationalists". Kevorkmail (talk) 06:36, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Well I see the translation is needed. Here you are (Google translation):All this paved the way for the events of March, when on March 30 - April 3, Russian and Dashnak forces, which obey the Council, seeking to establish control over the Baku streets, faced with armed Muslim groups. Muslims suffered a crushing defeat by the united forces of the Baku Soviet and then felt the whole unbridled ferocity Dashnak teams.--Quantum666 (talk) 12:24, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
- Where is the reference to massacres??? I see the article talks about a clash, skirmish or a battle but not about a massacre, (Muslim armed groups is mentioned clearly). Kevorkmail (talk) 13:36, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
- In the original English text of the source it is clearly mentioned "under the sway of Dashnak nationalists". Kevorkmail (talk) 13:45, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
- One more source for you [3] talking about massacres against Azeris. But if you insist we can write "Armenians" instead of dashnaks. --Quantum666 (talk) 14:08, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
- I think thats a fair suggestion, Dashnak is a political party in Armenia. Neftchi (talk) 17:21, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
- One more source for you [3] talking about massacres against Azeris. But if you insist we can write "Armenians" instead of dashnaks. --Quantum666 (talk) 14:08, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
Photo Gallery
The article is turning to a full gallery of Baku's landmarks, let's move the name of the article from "Baku" to "Baku touristic guide". Kevorkmail (talk) 19:35, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- You are welcome to create such an article. I think all Wikipedia users will be grateful to you. --Quantum666 (talk) 14:52, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- Keep on going with your childish sense of humour. Kevorkmail (talk) 20:1530 September 2010 (UTC)
- I am not joking. --Quantum666 (talk) 06:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Why to create a new article if it is already existing here, with pictures bearing the names: Morning hours, Main fountain, Another fountain, Evening fountain, Palm tree - popular decoration of new looks of Baku, Statue of a girl, Early morning at the Fountains square, and an advertisment for the "Traveller's cafe". Kevorkmail (talk) 07:09, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- I didn't say you had to create. It was only a proposal. --Quantum666 (talk) 07:51, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Why to create a new article if it is already existing here, with pictures bearing the names: Morning hours, Main fountain, Another fountain, Evening fountain, Palm tree - popular decoration of new looks of Baku, Statue of a girl, Early morning at the Fountains square, and an advertisment for the "Traveller's cafe". Kevorkmail (talk) 07:09, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- I am not joking. --Quantum666 (talk) 06:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Keep on going with your childish sense of humour. Kevorkmail (talk) 20:1530 September 2010 (UTC)
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Demographic Table
This demographic table is sham as it includes sources from sites likes narod.ru which is just a personal site and anybody can make it like in here http://www.ethno-kavkaz.narod.ru/rnazerbaijan.html and there is 4-5 more of same style sites, which is can not be used as serious site.--NovaSkola (talk) 17:55, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
- OK, here is the table
Year | Azeris | % | Russians | % | Armenians | % | Jews | % | Others | % | Total |
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1886[1] | 37,530 | 43.3 | 21,390 | 24.7 | 24,490 | 28.3 | 391 | 0.5 | 2,810 | 3.2 | 86,611 |
1897[2] | 40,341 | 36 | 37,399 | 33.4 | 19,099 | 17.1 | 3,369 | 3 | 11,696 | 10.5 | 111,904 |
1926[3] | 118,737 | 26.2 | 167,373 | 36.9 | 76,656 | 16.9 | 19,589 | 4.3 | 70,978 | 15.7 | 453,333 |
1939[4] | 215,482 | 27.4 | 343,064 | 43.6 | 118,650 | 15.1 | 31,050 | 3.9 | 79,377 | 10.1 | 787,623 |
1959[5] | 211,372 | 32.9 | 223,242 | 34.7 | 137,111 | 21.3 | 24,057 | 3.7 | 56,725 | 8.7 | 652,507 |
1970[6] | 586,052 | 46.3 | 351,090 | 27.7 | 207,464 | 16.4 | 29,716 | 2.3 | 88,193 | 6.9 | 1,262,515 |
1979[7] | 530,556 | 52.4 | 229,873 | 22.7 | 167,226 | 16.5 | 22,916 | 2.3 | 62,865 | 6.2 | 1,013,436 |
1999[8] | 1,574,252 | 88 | 119,371 | 6.7 | 378 | 0.02 | 5,164 | 0.3 | 89,689 | 5 | 1,788,854 |
- and here are the references
- ^ (in Russian) Свод статистических данных о населении Закавказского края, извлечённых из посемейных списков 1886 года, г. Тифлис, 1893
- ^ (in Russian) Первая всеобщая перепись населения Российской Империи 1897 г. - г. Баку
- ^ (in Russian) Всесоюзная перепись населения 1926 года, т. 14, Закавказская СФСР, г. Москва, 1929
- ^ Soviet 1939 census
- ^ Soviet 1959 census
- ^ Soviet 1970 census
- ^ Soviet 1979 census
- ^ Ethnic composition of Azerbaijan 1999
- where do you see any narod.ru or any other personal sites???--Yerevanci (talk) 23:16, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
- First of all, calm your tone down, second of all, please stop putting me time ultimatum and lastly, narod.ru was involved in here so stop changing the topic just to show you are right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baku&diff=452435097&oldid=452324308 Just check in 1886, which clearly shows that site I've meant. Plus, you are using statistics from pop-stat.mashke.org, which is non relevant site as it could've been made up by anybody. Plus you have showed Soviet census but not given any relevant sources for that. Only decent source you have is from 1897 so please either find relevant sources, or don't add random table to this good article. And on final note, if you accuse me once more, I will surely contact admins to tackle against your blackmail against me.--NovaSkola (talk) 04:06, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
- How can you see my tone?? Am I talking to you?? No. It's an internet conversation and you're not allowed to tell me how and what to talk.
- Second, yes I copied the source from www.ethno-kavkaz.narod.ru and yes, I don't have any reason not to believe them, because all their data is going with data from official statistics (ex. demoscope.ru) and the only difference is that www.ethno-kavkaz.narod.ru has more detailed data.
- "Plus you have showed Soviet census but not given any relevant sources for that"
- Yes, www.ethno-kavkaz.narod.ru can be seen as a reliable source, because, again, it is comparable to other sources and is just detailed. Also, as you the website has all the sources. I don't see any problem with relevancy. --Yerevanci (talk) 22:41, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
- There is no thing as Azeris, it is Azerbaijanis. Secondly, this table uses info from not established sites, so notability is unknown) So until you have decent sources, that table will not be there.--NovaSkola (talk) 20:48, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- First about the word "Azeris". Here is an axcerpt from Azerbaijani people article:
“ | The Azerbaijanis[1][2][3][4] are a Turkic-speaking people living mainly in northwestern Iran and the Republic of Azerbaijan, as well as in the neighbourhood states, Georgia, Russia (Dagestan) and formerly Armenia. Commonly referred to as Azeris (آذری - Azərilər) or Azerbaijani Turks[5][6] (Azerbaijani: Azərbaycan türkləri), they also live in a wider area from the Caucasus to the Iranian plateau. The Azeris are predominantly Shia Muslim[7] and have a various other heritages inluding Turkic, Iranic[8] in addition of indigenous Caucasians. | ” |
Ethnic groups in Yerevan since 1831
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Year | Armenians | % | Azerbaijanis | % | Russians | % | Others | % | Total |
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1831[9] | 6,125
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53.6
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5,338
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46.6
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11,463 | ||||
1873[10] | 5,959
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49.9
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5,805
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48.6
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150
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1.3
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24
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0.2
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11,938 |
1897[11] | 12,523
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43.2
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12,359
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42.6
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2,765
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9.5
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1,359
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4.7
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29,006 |
1926[12] | 59,838
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89.2
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5,216
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7.8
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1,401
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2.1
|
666
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1
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67,121 |
1939[12] | 174,484
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87.1
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6,569
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3.3
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15,043
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7.5
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4,300
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2.1
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200,396 |
1959[12] | 473,742
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93
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3,413
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0.7
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22,572
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4.4
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9,613
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1.9
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509,340 |
1979[12] | 974,126
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95.8
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2,341
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0.2
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26,141
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2.6
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14,681
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1.4
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1,017,289 |
2001[13] | 1,088,389
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98.6
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6,684
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0.6
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8,415
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0.8
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1,103,488 |
- Second, the sources that you call unreliable are also used in Tbilisi, Yerevan and other articles. The one for Yerevan shows that Azeris made up about half of the city's population. By the way, I was the one who added that table. If you think it's unreliable, then I don't have anything to add. --Yerevanci (talk) 00:42, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
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September days pogrom in Baku
The person who edited away my previous edit about the mass murder in Baku: will you have the human decency to keep it now? I made it more neutral, and linked both to the mutual killings by BOTH sides. You, on the other hand, made an strong remark about "12,000 Azerbeijanis killed in their own capital", but think it is right to remove the truth of the opposite side? BTW: I am not Armenian, Azerbeijani, Russian, nor come from even close to any of those places, but I believe unless the full historical truth is told, the attrocities will never stop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.239.250.209 (talk) 16:27, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
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Sounds interesting, I'll take this. Will have this to you within 48 hours. ☠ Jaguar ☠ 17:22, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
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Initial comments
- Per WP:LEADCITE, citations are discouraged in the lead per MoS except for controversial information. I'd remove a few refs in the lead that is mentioned later on
- "the old Inner City (21.5 ha)" - convert this into acres too?
- "Another theory suggests that the name Baku is derived from the ancient Caucasian Albanian city which was called Baguan.[citation needed]" - destory!
- The lead could summarise the article better, it is lacking some of the history of the city. I would suggest looking at other good capital cities such as London or Berlin that has good leads
- Vast amounts of the History section are unreferenced. Remember at least every paragraph in the article should contain some citations are these claims need to be sourced, per the GA criteria. At least from the "Rise of the Shirvanshahs and the Safavid era" to the "Discovery of oil" section is unreferenced.
- The are two citation needed tags in the article that need to be destroyed (ie. replaced with real refs)
- The Religion section could do with a copyedit, specifically merging the two paragraphs to create a larger one
- The Tourism and shopping section could also be merged. It is also vastly unreferenced
- Could definitely copyedit the Music and media section... merging the short paragraphs for example
- WP:OVERLINKING in the Sports and Education sections
- The Health care section is too short - best to either expand it or merge it with something else
- Notable residents unreferenced
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- The toolserver is down so I had to check the references myself, some of them are lacking proper date formats and publisher names
On hold
In its current state this article does not meet the GA criteria. The major problem here is that most of it is vastly unreferenced and some of the sections could do with a general copyedit. If all of the above were addressed and the references were sorted out then this would have a fighting chance to pass the GAN. I'll put this on hold for the standard seven days and will see the progress. Regards ☠ Jaguar ☠ 17:40, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
- Jaguar, sorry if I'm interrupting, but when an article has multiple completely unreferenced sections (not counting plot sections), that's an automatic fail. This therefore shouldn't have been placed on hold for having that and when it meets quick-fail criteria. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:49, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
- @SNUGGUMS:, @Jaguar: - I did have some other advice, but since the nominator, Yacatisma has been blocked for sockpuppetry, I think the odds of the issues being resolved are low, so as Snuggs says, you should probably fail this. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:22, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
- @SNUGGUMS:, @Ritchie333: I know that the nominator is blocked and this article should have been failed, were this not part of the GA cup I would have failed it straight away but I have to wait another six days before waiting to fail it in order to get my points. I feel that this is wrong, and I have requested the rules to be changed/clarified on the GA cup talk page. ☠ Jaguar ☠ 19:49, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
- The GA process and article improvement thereof is more important than the cup. Do what you think is right, and if you get no points, well it's not the end of the world. I quickfailed A Christmas Carol fully expecting to get 0 points in the cup, yet it was the right decision in my view. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:13, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
- You're right; I think I've been getting carried away recently with the objectives of the cup and not the definition. I don't mind losing some points, if need be I'll review another article. Anyway:
- The GA process and article improvement thereof is more important than the cup. Do what you think is right, and if you get no points, well it's not the end of the world. I quickfailed A Christmas Carol fully expecting to get 0 points in the cup, yet it was the right decision in my view. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:13, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
- @SNUGGUMS:, @Ritchie333: I know that the nominator is blocked and this article should have been failed, were this not part of the GA cup I would have failed it straight away but I have to wait another six days before waiting to fail it in order to get my points. I feel that this is wrong, and I have requested the rules to be changed/clarified on the GA cup talk page. ☠ Jaguar ☠ 19:49, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
- @SNUGGUMS:, @Jaguar: - I did have some other advice, but since the nominator, Yacatisma has been blocked for sockpuppetry, I think the odds of the issues being resolved are low, so as Snuggs says, you should probably fail this. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:22, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Close - not promoted
As per above. The article does not meet the GA criteria at this time ☠ Jaguar ☠ 18:12, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Censorship on this article: The city was created by Sasanian Empire Kings
Why you removed that fact from history section? --188.158.116.74 (talk) 06:16, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 14:59, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
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Why notable residents only Armenian ? Also many famous azerbaijani lived in Baku. This is not right.--Baskervill (talk) 06:52, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
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history section needs expansion badly
This is one of the most important cities in the history of central Asia. Where is the information for the centuries between 100 A.D. and 700 A.D.? What about the Mongol invasions and the 14th century khanate there? HammerFilmFan (talk) 20:50, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
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It is mentionable that the city Baku is located in the european part of the Caucasus.
11:40, 29 April 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.240.77.152 (talk)
- There's no "European part of Caucasus" to my knowledge. It's already stated that the city is in the Caucasus region. Brandmeistertalk 13:11, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
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Baku Population is Wrong
Hi. I am going to modify the Baku population to published versions rather than the unverified version of 3 million plus that is currently listed. I can find no reliable sources that list as a verifiable number or even an estimate of its populace. I am going to use the CIA World Factbook estimate for 2015. It puts the population at well under 3 million. Regards, Steve Stevenmitchell (talk) 21:16, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
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I'm trying to include Baku's ancient names.
Baraca/Persian: باراکا, PakovanArmenian: Պակովան[4] 75.146.4.107 (talk) 03:32, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
- Not done. You keep adding that inline url to the article, despite multiple warnings against doing so. You keep failing to provide citations for your addition, as well. El_C 03:38, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
City's first mentioned names and also Russian name of Baku
City's first mentioned names and also Russian name of Baku(Баку).
Russian: Баку; Baraca/Persian: باراکا; PakovanArmenian: Պակովան[5]
107.242.117.10 (talk) 05:51, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
Rayons vs raions (see also the talk page for Azerbaijan)
Are we sure that it is correct to refer to the administrative divisions of Azerbaijan (as a whole) as "rayons", and the subdivisions of Baku as "raions"? The plural for both (according to the Wikipedia articles for Baku and Azerbaijan) in Azerbaijani is "rayonlar", and in most other countries, "rayon" and "raion" are merely two different ways to spell the same word. ZFT (talk) 05:01, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
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WWI era images of Baku
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- https://archives.saltresearch.org/bitstream/123456789/129372/729/PFSIF9180926A120.jpg
- https://archives.saltresearch.org/bitstream/123456789/129372/730/PFSIF9180926A121.jpg
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City flag
I found a source of this city flag on FOTW, so can I add this flag to the infobox? Alexphangia Talk 07:36, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- CRW Flags appears to be WP:USERGENERATED and the caption says it's based on "a photo of the flag of unknown origin", without any link. I still can't find any official info on whether a city flag has been even adopted. So until an official source is provided this is original research, so no. Brandmeistertalk 08:30, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- I seriously doubt the city has an official flag. As far as I am aware, no official body has ever used such a flag. — Golden call me maybe? 08:31, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- This flag is now deleted at Commons. Alexphangia Talk 05:15, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- I say it is a good idea to maybe at least keep it in articles that aren't about Baku. See an image of the flag here. Might not be official but I think it is still worth noting. Flagvisioner (talk) 01:55, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- Flagvisioner, the image courtesy (Jens Pattke for Flags of the World) suggests Vexillographia.ru merely took the flag from the Flags of the World website, which is considered unreliable at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources. But I wonder where did they get the flag's photo, as my reverse image search was inconclusive. Brandmeistertalk 12:25, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- I say it is a good idea to maybe at least keep it in articles that aren't about Baku. See an image of the flag here. Might not be official but I think it is still worth noting. Flagvisioner (talk) 01:55, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- This flag is now deleted at Commons. Alexphangia Talk 05:15, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- I seriously doubt the city has an official flag. As far as I am aware, no official body has ever used such a flag. — Golden call me maybe? 08:31, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Should Neft Daşları (Oil Rocks) be in English?
Hello, This article mentions Neft Daşları, translating it to Oil Rocks in English. I've seen both used, but the original Azeri seems to be used more often by English-language sources, as well as on the Wikipedia article itself, so I'd propose changing it to Neft Daşları unless anyone had a reason not to? All the best ~ Asheiou (talk) 16:53, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- I've changed it to Neft Daşları, if anyone disagrees feel free to revert it and discuss^^ Asheiou (talk) 18:54, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
Significant geography feature
The article's introduction mentions the fact that the city is below sea level. Surely the "Geography" section should expand on that, at least to indicate the actual "altitude"? Robin Patterson (talk) 03:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
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- According to Rybakov: "Speaking of the Azerbaijan culture originating at that time, in the XIV-XV cc., one must bear in mind, first of all, literature and other parts of culture organically connected with the language. As for the material culture, it remained traditional even after the Turkicization of the local population. However, the presence of a massive layer of Iranians that took part in the formation of the Azerbaijani ethnos, have imposed its imprint, primarily on the lexicon of the Azerbaijani language which contains a great number of Iranian and Arabic words. The latter entered both the Azerbaijani and the Turkish language mainly through the Iranian intermediary. Having become independent, the Azerbaijani culture retained close connections with the Iranian and Arab cultures. They were reinforced by common religion and common cultural-historical traditions.”(“History of the East” (“Transcaucasia in XI-XV centuries” in Rostislav Borisovich Rybakov (editor), History of the East. 6 volumes. v. 2. “East during the Middle Ages: Chapter V., 2002. – ISBN 5-02-017711-3. http://gumilevica.kulichki.com/HE2/he2510.htm )".
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- Olivier Roy: "The mass of the Oghuz Turkic tribes who crossed the Amu Darya towards the west left the Iranian plateau, which remained Persian, and established themselves more to the west, in Anatolia. Here they divided into Ottomans, who were Sunni and settled, and Turkmens, who were nomads and in part Shiite (or, rather, Alevi). The latter were to keep the name “Turkmen”for a long time: from the 13th century onwards they “Turkised”the Iranian populations of Azerbaijan (who spoke west Iranian languages such as Tat, which is still found in residual forms), thus creating a new identity based on Shiism and the use of Turkish. These are the people today known as Azeris.".[
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