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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk01:35, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that Cicero considered baking to be a "vulgar" profession? Source: Bagnall, Roger S; Brodersen, Kai; Champion, Craige B; Erskine, Andrew; Huebner, Sabine R, eds. (2013-01-21). Bakers and Baking (1 ed.). Wiley. doi:10.1002/9781444338386.wbeah30029. ISBN 978-1-4051-7935-5.

Created by Graearms (talk). Self-nominated at 22:09, 5 January 2023 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: It would be an interesting hook if you would clarify who Cicero is and why the bolded link goes to Baking in Ancient Rome. Something like "Ancient Roman statesman Cicero considered baking to be a "vulgar" profession" would help the layman reader understand the context better. Change that, and I would wholeheartedly love it! Why? I Ask (talk) 01:11, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The original hook turned out to be a small bit misleading upon further inspection. The article, and the source I used, implied that Cicero used the word "vulgar" to describe baking. He did not. He just included it in a list of professions he didn't like. The original quote by Cicero is:
"I say nothing of those ordinary arts, cooks, bakers, and litter-bearers; he has so many slaves to gratify his mind and ears, that the whole neighbourhood resounds with the daily music of voices, and stringed instruments, and flutes. In such a life as this, O judges, how great a daily expense, and what extravagance do you think there must be? And what banquets? Honourable no doubt in such a house; if that is to be called a house rather than a workshop of wickedness, and a lodging for every sort of iniquity."
I think this alternative hook is a little bit better. ALT1: ... that the wealth of bakers in ancient Rome may have contributed to them receiving a negative reputation? Source: Bagnall, Roger S; Brodersen, Kai; Champion, Craige B; Erskine, Andrew; Huebner, Sabine R, eds. (2013-01-21). Bakers and Baking (1 ed.). Wiley. doi:10.1002/9781444338386.wbeah30029. ISBN 978-1-4051-7935-5. Graearms (talk) 22:08, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that that's a better, more understandable-for-the-layman hook. I will obviously AGF on the source (especially after doing more research to find that the first may have been false). I went ahead and bolded it for you. Why? I Ask (talk) 01:07, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have to AGF on that ALT1 I do not have access to read the full text. Bruxton (talk) 01:34, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vide Macula currere

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Is it just me, or does this article need a major writing style overhaul? Sentence structure is very basic; the average words per sentence (WpS) is 13.3, the longest sentence is 33 words long. For comparison, the article on the First Punic War has an average WpS of 19.42, with some sentences reaching 50 words. This article reads like a See Spot Run book. I'd do it myself, but English is not my first language, and the article has been selected for the DYK list, so I'll welcome other opinions on this. Rizzardi (talk) 13:32, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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