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Hey Dr Aaij read this Dante2326 (talk) 15:40, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to, but your opening sentence is grammatically incomplete, and doesn't even say in which country these things were. Work! Dr Aaij (talk) 03:06, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Dante2326, I can't see your book (there is no URL for online viewing) and I don't see any other references that are linked, so I can't verify the information, or that this is a good topic. I'll accept that it is, and it is probably an important topic. Now, if that is the case there is no reason that you cannot write this article and finish a decent draft in a couple of hours--you can have this done completely by the time we meet in class. Dr Aaij (talk) 03:09, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I added my books and websites and added a little more content, but could help me with writing about the prisons individually. DanteDante2326 (talk) 22:22, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OK, that's good--but now the biggest problem is the actual writing. What I see is not of academic level, in terms of basic correctness and clarity. Perhaps you should get some assistance from the Learning Center. I can go in and fix some stuff, but that won't teach you anything and will probably just irritate you; you need to be working on grammar, cheerfully. Dr Aaij (talk) 03:46, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Wait. This was a Chinese-American cooperative project? Dr Aaij (talk) 03:49, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes DanteDante2326 (talk) 04:24, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OK. This article will probably make or break your grade: if you take it seriously, and devote serious time to it, you will be rewarded for it. Dr Aaij (talk) 01:29, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Dante2326, I see that since my last message you haven't devoted any time to the article--what the consequences for your final grade can be, I think you know. Dr Aaij (talk) 18:45, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes sir, i undestand. I have not been myself of lately, but I will the article. danteDante2326 (talk) 02:48, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dante2326, look what I did with that reference, and the URL. Do that with the others as well--it'll look a lot cleaner. This still needs wikilinks for obvious things like the Chinese Nationalist Party. The lead needs to be reorganized, probably broken into two paragraphs. Same with the two sections: reorganize. Include more geographic details. More historical details. Make sure that you don't use a novel as a historical source. For a decent model of a camp, look at Auschwitz concentration camp.
LadyofShalott, can you throw some categories at this draft? I know it's not easy given the lack of geography/history in the article's current state, but every bit helps. Dante, the Lady will put categories in but with a colon at the beginning: when you move this to mainspace, remove those. OK? Now get to work. It's been two days, and every day is a day closer to the last day of class. Dr Aaij (talk) 15:15, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, these blogs--they are not acceptable sources, and I have no doubt that whatever you see in there you can find in better sources. These are concentration camps, and are written up in proper sources--look in books, look in JSTOR... Dr Aaij (talk) 15:18, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
So they were closed in 1949? That is not clear. Dr Aaij (talk) 15:22, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I can add another category for disestablishment, but not with what is in the article now. (Hint: Category:1949 disestablishments in China exists, but I can't tell that it is appropriate. Is it?) Also, I did a few other little things that now that I've read this whole page, I realize Dr Aaij perhaps wishes I had not, but I had to! There's still plenty to be done here. LadyofShalott 01:57, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dante2326, copy edits. Organization. Grammar. Run-on sentences. Appropriate word choice. There is so much to do and getting this right will take considerable energy. Everything that others have to do for you (I'm NOT talking about Wiki formatting etc--I'm talking about writing and sourcing) means you can't get credit for those parts. Dr Aaij (talk) 01:30, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Appears from Chongqing & The Three Gorges that this is a complex of former coal mining housing(?) and a warlord's villa located in "Happy Valley" near Geleshan, with the villa housing high-ranking prisoners and the coal mine used for the rest. Sino-American Cooperative Organization had its headquarters here. American police and FBI alleged to have trained KMT operatives in torture techniques (I altered in the article to 'interrogation' but ?) Article needs its heading jacked up, and a new article installed underneath. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 11:06, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Criminal Justice in China: A History by Professor Klaus Mühlhahn, pp 133-134 has some detail. In particular he notes that contemporary US sources, e.g Sprouse memo of 1945, refer to the "concentration camp system" although the KMT didn't refer to the camps as either internment or concentration, instead using euphemisms, such as 'special detention centre'. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 11:24, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Did You Know

...that during the Second Sino-Japanese War, in 1943 two concentration camps were cooperatively opened by an American and Sino organization. alt 1: ...that in 1947 the Kuomintang reopened two concentration camps for the use of capturing, torturing, and the killing of communist political officals of Republic of China. Torture tactics learned from their American counterpart the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Dante2326, I gave you some points for this--you can get more if you a. clean it up (grammar! and formatting--guidelines are at Wikipedia:Did you know/Hook) and b. if you improve both hooks: at the very least they need some dates. Plus, "China" is really too vague in this particular context. Dr Aaij (talk) 18:54, 29 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Dante2326, I'm sorry, but if you don't clean up the hooks and the article I won't nominate it. Dr Aaij (talk) 18:05, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

Formal request has been received to merge the article Baigongguan into Baigongguan and Zhazidong; dated: June 2019. Proposer's Rationale: the articles are about the same topic. Pinging proposer @70.67.193.176: Discuss here. Richard3120 (talk) 22:21, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Richard3120:, I don't have anything to add - I think they should merge because they are duplicates. 70.67.193.176 (talk) 19:42, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]