Talk:Bachelorette party/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Should be moved to wiktionary --LeeHunter 13:13, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, unless it's expanded into an encyclopedic article -- Joolz 17:11, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Is it really "Consequences" being played, or "Truth or Consequences" (which I had expected)?

This article contains Weasel Words (for example: "It is estimated that less than 20% of all bachelorette parties include a stripper." ...who estimates this? where are the sources? that statements nothing but an unvarifiable generality)

L-plates

A common gift at these parties is "a square plate bearing a sans-serif letter L, for "learner", which must be affixed to the front and back of a car in many countries if its driver is a learner under instruction?" I didn't think that they were so tame. --Descendall 20:07, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

heh, I see I'm not the first to have this question... Scott Ritchie 02:01, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Image

The illustration for the article, Image:Bride-one.jpg, has been deleted a couple of times without comment. It seems like an excellent illustration of the article to me, but since this has happened a couple of times I wanted to start a dialogue here. -- Siobhan Hansa 18:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it's appropriate, though it might also be good to show another image. I wonder if we should have a model release on that photo. -- Subsolar 02:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Is the picture really needed for this article? Kingpomba 11:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Before the image there was an "Image please" tag added by someone, and the image itself survived deletion - so I would say yes, it's a good idea to keep it. Orpheus 12:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

The "bride got stripped to her underwear" pic seems very appropriate for the article.-69.87.204.183 (talk) 00:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

• We have only the uploader's word that this is even an actual bachelorette party. Flickr is filled with photographs like this that are nothing more than drunken romps. How is this an appropriate illustration of anything within the article? I don't see "consensus to keep" here, I see maybe three people thinking we should keep, and now two people saying remove. How is this "consensus" for such a photograph to stay? I have no problem with erotic images, but this is a poorly done picture, that illustrates nothing about the article in question. S. Dean Jameson 21:25, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

You could say that about lots of images on Wikipedia - we only have the uploader's word that the subject is as described. It's a public domain image, which is pure gold when it comes to building a Free encyclopedia. It illustrates events that could easily happen at a bachelorette party, even if it's not an actual record of an actual hen's night, so it's perfectly valid in my opinion. What standard of evidence would you accept for an image in this article, just out of interest? Here's the rest of the discussion on this and similar images: [1]

btw, I hardly think it counts as erotic. Orpheus (talk) 06:52, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

All the reliable sources I've found -- that is, books written by people who know what they're talking about, as opposed to the occasional MySpace page or a website trying to sell something -- suggest that the kind of hazing pictured here is uncommon.

To illustrate the breadth of the subject, it would be helpful to include an image that doesn't focus on alcohol. Perhaps something like this one might be a better choice? We don't seem to have very many options handy. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:54, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Difference

I believe a "stag" or "stagette" for women is more common in Canada. Well, particularly in southern ontario. I believe that should be mentioned Canking 19:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and made the change. Some it seems had already mentioned this on the bachelor page Canking 00:37, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

hen party vs. shower

The article needs more discussion of parallel customs world wide. And needs to compare and contrast with showers. In particular, does anyone have both a hen and a separate shower? If not, then it seems clear that it is just a type of shower? -69.87.204.183 (talk) 00:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Showers focus on gifts. Hen parties focus on fun and fellowship. Is the difference clearer in the expanded text?

I'm not sure that there really are parallel customs worldwide. It's a pretty modern invention. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:54, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

First image

I'd like to have more representative images for this article, but deleting one simply because a commercial service licensed it to us is really not acceptable, especially since it leaves the article with only a single "raunchy" image when all of the recent reliable sources say that this sort of party is increasingly uncommon. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:51, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I particularly dislike that image - the saturated colors and poses make it look more like a promotional image than an illustration of a real hen night (and from the licensing I assume that's because it is a promotional photo :-). I do wonder about the credit requirement too - If it was provided by the company doesn't it fall under our user created images section of the image use policy which requires that all credit be restricted to the description page.

I see your point about needing images that cover a better range of activities etc. Perhaps there are other flickr photos we could find. -- SiobhanHansa 18:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

For consideration - selected from flickr images tagged with bachelorette and appropriate licensing: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] -- SiobhanHansa 19:18, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I like the ones that aren't posed group photos somewhat better than the "here's a bunch of women posing for the camera" pictures, but any of them work for me. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

+1 I dislike that image, any other actual photo (not promotional picture) works for me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.215.220.165 (talk) 00:42, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

OK. There's been plenty of time for people to comment - Since there wasn't any huge wave of enthusiasm for a particular photo I'm choosing mainly guided by WhatamIdoing's suggestion to stay away from "the group shot". I'm going to replace the promotional image with the poker party one (last of the ones I suggested). Obviously if other images turn up that people prefer we can change them again. -- SiobhanHansa 18:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm a little late to this discussion, but I was the OTRS agent who handled the promotional photo. Would we be willing to have this in here without the photo credit in the caption (that was just a request by them and not at all necessary for use in the article)? Since it was given to us by a company who does bachelorette party planning, it seems like it would be a good fit. It shows one woman who is clearly the bride-to-be, in an activity that is common among parties (I assume, not having attended my wife's nor any other woman's), with professional lighting and makeup. Additionally, speaking as an editor, I'm not fond of the poker picture since there's no real indication that it's anything beyond a poker night. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 18:55, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I could go either way with this one. Because of what our reliable sources say about the typical party, it's important to me that we have at least one image that doesn't center on alcohol and isn't raunchy, but I don't mind restoring this one (or one similar to it). WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I really disliked that image because it didn't look like a hen night it looked like part of an advert. The sturated colors, professional makeup and lighting made it look like a glamor shot or photo for a magazine, it also they appeared to be in a nightclub that's empty(!) and it looked very posed. It did not seem to illustrate an actual bachelorette party well. I generally find promotional images tend to be poor illustrations of anything other than promotion - the intent is generally not to capture reality but some sort of idealized image.

Having said that we're low on images showing the variety that these sorts of parties cover. And while I understand that we have reliable sources that say drunken nights out with the bride clearly marked are on the decline in the US, it's not my impression that's necessarily true elsewhere (not that we have sources that have looked at the phenomenon elsewhere). So I think an image that shows that sort of behavior is not inappropriate (I think some kind of spa day photo would also be good). But still, I would prefer we find images actually look realistic. -- SiobhanHansa 20:00, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I have no stake in the image myself, and as we say on Wikipedia:Contact us/Photo submission, just because they send us a photo it doesn't guarantee we'll use it, so if that's how it must be, then that's how it must be (plus, the woman on the far right seems to have some sort of freaky face). howcheng {chat} 22:09, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

removal of image

Hi all, I've removed an image from this article for a number of reasons - some of which are discussed at the image's deletion discussion. In addition to these reasons, which speak to why I believe it would be best in general terms to delete the image, I also don't find that it's contributing in an enyclopedic context here - I feel it's a poor shot, and the article is actually better without it! happy to talk about it too... cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 06:31, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

That's actually a different image (-one vs -two). I disagree - I think the shot is worthwhile and contributes to the article, per my reasons in the discussions above. Orpheus (talk) 08:03, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I liked the image personally and thought it added to the article. But it's been deleted on Commons as not having appropriate licensing etc. details. So there's no point trying to use it now unless someone can get the original uploader to re-add and provide necessary info. For some reason I really dislike Image:Bride-two.jpg (I'm not sure why), so I didn't simply swap that one in. -- SiobhanHansa 15:08, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

That's a shame - the Wikipedia paranoia strikes again. I wouldn't add Bride-two either, it's not really a good fit for this article (although it's just spiffy for Truth or Dare. Thanks for the heads up. Orpheus (talk) 15:51, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

New Area of Discussion?

I think there should be another section or a new related article. There is a whole new field of debate in this "Stag Night" concept.... maybe a criticism page of such activity or something of a more social exploratory example.....

The point I am trying to make is.... we all know how it gets done these days. Future husband goes to the place. Big burly bouncer stands towards the side while a half naked girl perhaps topless with stickers on her nipples comes out with some music and does some butt dancing in front of his face while remaining 3 feet away at all times except perhaps a little bit of sitting on the lap.... if the guy reaches for her breasts he will get smacked by the bouncer or thrown out.......

Now same night but on the other side of town Bride to be is going bar to bar with her friends. Getting wasted on shots of tequila provided by her friends egging on they go bar to bar until special time comes up and the group leader abruptly tells everyone its time to get back home because knocking on their door at Midnight a male stripper (prostitute I prefer this word) He walks in the door and hits the music on the Box....

Now your future wife is wearing the little thing on her head that shows she is the bride to be and they grab a chair put it in the middle of the room and the guy dances around your tequila wasted girlfriend letting her feel him up erotically until its time for the glory while at the behest of the chanting party attenders he whips off the underwear dangles himself in your wife's face and pulls out a can of whip cream while your fiance's friends and in-laws chant Go Go GO GO! So she (drunk) grabs him with both hands..... and go she does...... Have a happy honeymoon bud. Your wife just went down on a guy who is most likely infinitely physically superior to you and now she has his dick in her mind (not to mention mouth) while on your honeymoon. If you don't believe me or if you think I sound over the top just check it out for yourself. I believe this really started taking place most likely within the last 10 to 15 years. Because women want to reverse the stigma "men get to sleep with whoever they want" which is bullshit.... men sleep only with women that sleep with them. They think the men are doing terrible things on the other side of town but its actually their party that's enough to make a stand up guy puke to just imagine that being his girl.....

Bachelorette party = You're drunk future wife sucking a stripper's penis for her chanting friends the week before you marry her.

Im not married but this is why I dislike the concept of bachelorette party and to be fair bachelor party as well I suppose. Society really forces this on you and for some reason I doubt most men are inclined to really imagine whats going on at the Hen House while they drink beers with their buddies and talk about how much he wishes he could of touched that stripper girls rear end and if he did he might consider it lucky that he got a feel but what he doesn't know is that he would be lucky If.... the other stripper didn't ejaculate in his fiance's mouth which is common place.... but she wont remember anyway. Trust me... you think your girlfriends friends are gonna stop her from doing something crazy in front of them? Stag Parties are for the friends not the bride of honor its your friends excuse to see a naked stripper and get her drunk enough have him.

I think another section or page would be great to compare the differences of what might be going on during these two similar equal but different cultural events. Male side - Female side. Maybe some Criticism or more thoughts about the possible negative nature. You are reading this. Your feelings on these parties doesn't really matter nor if you disagree with me but this is an important area of discussion that if anyone is capable of handling it wiki can.

I agree with the above posts. I think there should be some section added about the immorality of having strippers at these kinds of parties.96.51.21.229 (talk) 04:02, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Ok, dude, what? Anyways, original research is not allowed. Give your opinions in your LiveJournal, not here. Lots42 (talk) 10:28, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Yah, maybe you should go to conservapedia for an article on the "immorality" of bachelorette parties. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.28.22.13 (talk) 21:35, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Why are these parties (bachelor and bachelorette) even exists? What's the point of them? Make the bride and groom cheat each other? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.133.29.119 (talk) 21:43, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

hen/henna debate

Obviously, this refers to a hen (chicken) rather than Henna, despite the cited article. Wiktionary even has an alternate form of "Hen Night" as "Hen's night" which would gramatically go with Henna, plus the word has an origin of 1880-1885 (in the dictionary) The reference to Henna should be deleted. 71.169.22.80 (talk) 17:11, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Fixed it, with an appropriate reference. Atomic645 (talk) 17:23, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Advertising

Removed Advertisement for a Magician's website Baltergeist (talk) 05:29, 7 February 2014 (UTC)