Talk:Bacardi 151

Trucker Max Connection

I am weary of the connection to Trucker Max. The drink certainly predates Trucker; while it is possible that he popularized it, I somehow doubt it. What sources? Rlove 03:19, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree. I'm removing it. 16:07 31 December 2005 EDT

Heh... you mean TUCKER Max? 69.143.240.243 (talk) 19:31, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Straight consumption

Consuming this "straight" is NOT encouraged... it says so on the drinks label.

I'm not exactly sure doctors would have a firm number for getting "wasted" on any drink.

Yes but it's not our job to tell people that, I removed it from the article. Cat-five - talk 08:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Lighter Fluid

Distill Dr. Pepper and pour in lighter fluid? Vandal?

Alcohol Content

Proof is calculated by converting the percentage alcohol into a decimal, and multiplying it by 175. (See Wikipedia's "Proof (alcohol)" page for more info.)

This can be verified by calculating the proof of pure alcohol, which should be 175:

100% alcohol = 1.00

1.00 x 175 = 175 proof

Bacardi 151 does not have the 75.5% alcohol that is currently stated on the content page. Instead:

151 = proof

X = % alcohol (in decimal form)

X x 175 = 151 proof

X = 151/175 proof

X = .863

.863 = 86.3% alcohol

I'm going to go ahead and correct it, on the basis stated above. Awesomebitch (talk) 01:56, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

• That may have been the formula back in the old days, but now proof is defined as 2 * (alcohol percentage). Look at the [Alcoholic_proof] page in the first paragraph. Look at any liquor bottle as well. Your typical 80 proof liquor is printed as 40% ABV. The Bacardi 151 bottle is clearly marked 75.5% ABV. Jdoty (talk) 00:49, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Why Bacardi?

Does anyone else think it is inappropriate that a search for 151-proof rum redirects to this page. It's not as though Bacardi is the only brand of 151-proof rum in existence. That would be like a search for bandage redirecting to Band-Aid, or a search for facial tissue redirecting to Kleenex. 151.199.249.245 (talk) 21:13, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

It's a lot more appropriate than this page being the first Google result for "151". That said, if there are other notable 151 proof rums, then a "151 proof rum" page should be made and this page turned into a redirect. --MarkGyver (talk) 12:54, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

First importation to America - 1995?

The author should please provide documentation for this claim that Bacardi 151 was first imported to the U.S. in 1995. Millions of U.S. university students were obtaining it somehow by the time I first came across it in 1992. Please help refine this section. Thank you. Scholardiogenes (talk) 07:42, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

In fairness, the article only says, "Bacardi 151 was imported to America in 1995." Which is true. But you're right, it certainly wasn't first imported in 1995, because we were making daiquiris from it back in 1983 on my campus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.191.166.202 (talk) 00:21, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I found a New York Magazine Sep 17, 1973 issue with a Bacardi ad that includes 151 (search for that issue, Google Books). (I was drinking it around 1972-1973.) Codehead1 (talk) 17:17, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Cultural references

It was also mentioned in the Nas song One Mic: "Pure, like a cup of virgin blood/mix with 151, one sip will make a nigga flip"

Move proposal

151 rum currently redirects here. I think we should move this article content to 151 rum, and have a subsection for the Bacardi specific sections. Most of this applies to 151 rum in general. Certainly the generic article should not redirect to the brand name. Tilapidated (talk) 17:44, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Are there any significant brands of 151 rum other than Bacardi? My impression is that Bacardi intentionally chose the proof level as part of its branding, so the number 151 is closely tied to the Bacardi brand. Unless there is some evidence that 151 rum has some significance other than in the context of the Bacardi brand, I suggest doing nothing. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:34, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, there are other brands of 151 rum, and cocktail recipes that call for 151 (not specifically Bacardi). Aside from the lawsuit I'm not sure that much of the information here is specific to Bacardi over any other type of 151. The whole page reads like an ad for a specific brand. Maybe there's enough to maintain a specific page for Bacardi, but having the generic article redirect to the brand seems odd. If you want to keep this, I would suggest moving the non-bacardi specific info to the generic one.

151 rum proposed content

151 rum is over-proof rum. 151-proof liquor has an alcohol content of 75.5%, compared to the 35%–40% usually found in rum. Historically pot stills that all rum was made in produced a distillate that was around 151 proof. Normally the rum would be diluted before bottling, but was often shipped as 151 proof and diluted at its destination to save weight.(http://www.liquoranddrink.com/ingredients/501-151-proof-rum)

It is typically used in sweet drinks, such as a Hurricane. As is the case with all distilled spirits that have such a high percentage of alcohol, 151 rum is flammable. It is often floated and ignited on top of drinks.(http://www.webtender.com/db/ingred/85)

151 rum is an essential component of a mixed drink called a Caribou Lou, consisting of 151 rum, Malibu Rum, and pineapple juice. It is also used to make a "Hurricane" drink. This mixed beverage consists of 1/2 oz of 151 rum, 1/2 oz of Malibu Rum, and 1/2 oz of Myers Rum. The mixed drink is then filled with equal parts of orange juice and pineapple juice, then topped with a small amount of Grenadine. Hurricanes can be garnished with a cherry.

Specific to Bacardi proposed content

Bacardi 151 has multiple warnings on the label of the bottle stating that it should not be ignited or exposed to an open flame. Bacardi 151, as shipped by Bacardi, is also equipped with a stainless steel flame arrester crimped onto to the neck of the bottle to prevent the rum from igniting, in case a consumer or bartender ignores the warnings and applies the rum to a source of ignition (e.g. a flaming pan or dish, a flambe). Despite the warnings against ignition and the flame arrester incidents have been alleged where consumers claim to have been burned by bartenders who ignore the warnings and remove the flame arrestor using a tool strong enough to pry the stainless steel flame arrester from the bottle, and expose the bottle to an open flame. [2][3]

Tilapidated (talk) 18:55, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Those two sources don't look very reliable to me, and don't identify any other brands of 151-proof rum. I'm guessing that some people might refer to 151 rum as a "genericized" way of trying to avoid referring to a specific brand. However, my impression is that the 151 proof is closely associated with this brand, so I don't see a need for a genericized article on 151 proof rum. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:01, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Why would you want them to identify other brands? The point is that concept of 151 rum is not limited to particular brands. An alternative to the 151 rum would be to move the generic stuff to overproofed rums, or else to the overproof rums section on the Rum article (which lists bacardi 151 as an overproof rum, rather than a 151 rum). Tilapidated (talk) 22:17, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I wouldn't expect them to identify other brands, because I don't think there are any other brands that are closely associated with the idea of having an abv level of exactly 151. As far as I know, there is no notable general concept of a 151-proof rum that is really separate from the Bacardi rum. There is really nothing special about the number 151. It is just as possible to make a rum (or a whiskey or a vodka) that has a proof level of 152 or 150 or 160. As far as I know, only Bacardi makes a special emphasis on the number 151. So I think there is no need to talk about other 151-proof rums.

If you want to create a separate article on 151-proof rums, and you can provide reliable citations to justify it, go ahead. But this page is about one particular brand. Its title is "Bacardi 151", not "151-proof rum".

—BarrelProof (talk) 00:16, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

There are certainly others, Lemon Hart 151 for example (http://www.drinkupny.com/Lemon_Hart_151_p/s0375.htm). I don't disagree with your about the 151 idea though. My point still stands that much of this article is really about over proof rums, of which there are many, and not specific to Bacardi. In fact so far as I can see the only thing that is specific to Bacardi is the info about the lawsuit. Tilapidated (talk) 00:41, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of the other brand. I have no objection to creating an article on over-proof rum, if you think it is a significant phenomenon, and moving the drink recipes into that article – and redirecting the "151 rum" link to that article. But I think that should be a separate article. This article is about the Bacardi 151 brand. Some things are particular to the Bacardi brand – for example, the inclusion of a flame arrestor with the product and the description of its labelling particulars and the reference to a lawsuit against its producer – those things seem particular to Bacardi. —BarrelProof (talk) 01:01, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Looking at the proposal you made above for what should be generic and what should be specific to this brand, I think the division looks reasonable – except that I suggest replacing "151 rum" with "high-proof rum" or "over-proof rum" in the generic part. As far as I know, there is nothing really special about the number 151. —BarrelProof (talk) 01:05, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Typical proof claims

Can anyone find a source claiming that the typical rum is 70-80 proof? There are several popular rums (sailor jerry etc.) that are 90+ proof. 142.161.97.237 (talk) 05:43, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Discontinuation sources?

I'm new to this whole Wikipedia thing, so I wasn't sure what to do regarding a source for when 151 was discontinued. The Internet Archive can only show that as of Feb 21, 2017, Bacardi didn't have 151 in their site's list of rums; Idaho's State Liquor Division can very it as of Feb 1, 2017; and the earliest I've found that's not rumors from reddit is a post on Jan 12, 2017 from a blog about alcohol which claims that they contacted Bacardi to verify the discontinuation. I haven't found a source that states when it was discontinued, and I'm unsure about these sources' reliability, so I'll let someone more senior decide which (if any) to use. Sssteennnn (talk) 07:25, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

References

Beginning and end of production

The first paragraph is incorrect. It says 151 existed from 1981 to 2016. I don't know when it was first produced but here is a mention from 1963. https://books.google.com/books?id=TAFLAQAAIAAJ&q=%22bacardi+151%22&dq=%22bacardi+151%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjRxc_0iLzSAhVHSyYKHa_nBfwQ6AEIMTAF

Also the reference cited in the first paragraph (#1) was retrieved in 2012 so obviously does not work as a citation for the production end date of 2016, though it did in fact end production last year. All that reference has is a casual mention by the writer that he drank some 151 in 1981. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.178.166.115 (talk) 05:11, 4 March 2017 (UTC)