Talk:Babi Yar: A Document in the Form of a Novel

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Confused and confusing: This article, as well as the articles on "Anatoly Kuznetsov" and "Babi Yar" cite the publication of Kuznetsov's book in Russia in Yunost in 1966, but fail to mention that the Yunost version was immediately translated into English with early sections being published in Columbia University's, The Current Digest of the Soviet Press, Leo Gruliow ed.. Early sections were translated by Jacob Guralsky and Mary Mackler with editing by Barbara Appel and the full translation was completed by Guralsky. With illustrations by S. Brodsky and poem "Babi Yar" by Y. Yevtushenko, it was published by the Dell Publishing Co., Inc. by January of 1967 (Copyright 1966, 1967 by The Dial Press, Inc.). This version was reviewed at the time by Saturday Review, Newsweek, Chicago News, and others. Additionally it was published under the author's full name "Anatoly Kuznetsov".

That is, contrary to the implication of the Wikipedia articles cited, the English translation of the Yunost version (later repudiated by Kuznetsov) had been in wide circulation in the West, under his full name, for two years before his defection in 1969 and three years before he published his original manuscript (sans censorship) in 1970. Sigsson (talk) 10:27, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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End quote

This article says:

"The novel concludes with a warning:

Let me emphasize again that I have not told about anything exceptional, but only about ordinary things that were part of a system; things that happened just yesterday, historically speaking, when people were exactly as they are today."

But I have just read this book and couldn't see it in the conclusion, where in the book is this quote? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.79.223.43 (talk) 22:23, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know as I've never seen the version in which this appears. I don't know whether it's from the heavily censored Soviet version, or from one of the issues in the unredacted Western versions which Kuznetsov smuggled out. The entire article needs to be expanded with far more reliable sources than the sparse handful being used, and brought in line with what other tertiary sources have to say about it (such as the current Encyclopaedia Britannica entry here). It's been on my to-do list for a long time, but I haven't gotten around to improving the article. If you, or anyone else, wishes to contribute, you'd be more than welcome to help. Wikipedia works on a WP:VOLUNTEER basis, so all hands on board. Cheers, IP 79.79.223.43! Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:09, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the novel conclusion, "Let me emphasize again....." There are many versions of the book, I personally own 4 and they have different publishers and ISBN/Standard Book Numbers. The one that was published by Dell Publishing, second edition, 1967 has the referenced paragraph on page 391. I have found that that particular version (while I only have translated English copies) is not the complete unabridged version, in my opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:6E40:2730:FC07:693D:7F09:F7A4 (talk) 23:20, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]