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Reviewer: Ippantekina (talk · contribs) 13:21, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]


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Will review this article. Because of its length, please expect a quite prolonged review. Cheers, Ippantekina (talk) 13:21, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nice of you to take on this review for this music article. Looking forward to your comments and edit discussion. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:48, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

First read

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Prose is arguably the most important criterion.

Lead

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  • BTS also became the fastest group since the Beatles to earn four US number-one albums "the fastest group" reads awkward
  • Comprehensive and easy to follow. The group is inarguably so huge nowadays!
  • changed to "BTS became the first group since the Beatles to earn four US number-one albums"
  • From this source that interpretation is incorrect. "The last group to generate four No. 1s faster than BTS was The Beatles, who took just one year and five months ... the last group to log its first four No. 1s faster than BTS was The Monkees, who took just one year and 21 days" Ippantekina (talk) 10:13, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Updated to "One of the few groups since the Beatles with 4 Number one albums in less than 2 years." ErnestKrause (talk) 15:08, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Name

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  • the Korean expression Bangtan Sonyeondan "expression" is over-the-top

Career

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  • I personally dislike level-4 subheadings. Can you trim it to level-3 subheadings? For example, instead of three level-4 sections under "2014–2017", why not three level-3 headings? (i.e. "2014–2015: First concert tour", "2015–2016: Breakthrough", "2016–2017: International expansion")
The Beatles FA is currently using this type of TOC-4 successfully. If you are suggesting shorter section titles then I will go through these one by one. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:13, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sections from 2018 onwards focus quite a lot on the albums' successes, which is hard to follow. I would advise trimming them down. We already have separate articles on albums, singles, and tours for those information. Try to select only important details, and make them 4-5 paragraphs per section maximum.

— Ippantekina (talk) 02:48, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The sections might look better with re-blocked paragraphs. There was a recent down-sizing of these sections and it might look better with the paragraph formats enhanced. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:13, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MOS concerns

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I'm not sure that I am getting the same results in running the script as you are. For example, in the current "Butter" career section, the first instance of Butter is linked while the rest are not linked. Let me know if there are any duplicates coming up on your running of the script for the other sections. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:43, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Have you installed the script? You can click on "Highlight duplicate links" on the left-hand Tools to see which links are overlinked. I am seeing quite a few. For example, in the "Mainstream breakthrough and commercial success" section: SBS MTV, YouTube, Oricon, Billboard, Melon Music Awards, Seoul, Gaon Album Chart. Ippantekina (talk) 01:29, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed them. Please take a look at it and let me know if anything more needs to be changed. Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 21:34, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replace spaced hyphens (-) with endash (–) where appropriate.
Currently, the lead section looks clean for hyphens-vs-endashes, as does the Awards section which uses endashes correctly. Let me know which other ones are a concern in your read-through. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:43, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In the references as well (for example: references #21 and #40). Ippantekina (talk) 01:29, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nice catch on looking through the references. I'll try to get through all of them today. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:34, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The current version of reliable sources for Forbes is that the print version of the magazine is reliable, with use of the on-line version should be restricted to only staff writers and articles which have already appeared in the print version including non staff writers. If you need to question any specific cite from them, then I cn try to verify it for its reliability. Reliable sources only for Wikipedia. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:43, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You can click on the Forbes links of this article and see for yourself. For example, reference #130 is written by a "Contributor", and thus it is not reliable. All Forbes sources used in this article are online, so I would advise going through all of them. Ippantekina (talk) 01:29, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If there are any Forbes cites which look odd, then I will look through them whether by staff authors or contributors. The decision on reliable sources was made by Wikipedia to be active from the date it was listed as unreliable which means only the last year or so. My own experience has been to have other editors ask me to change sources which used Forbes on other articles this year, and I have done so, though the change-over was merely formal since the data in the Forbes article I used was fully reliable and I simply shifted to another website which quoted the exact same numbers. In your example for cite #130, I am finding it fully verified on Billboard and etonline that: "BTS Debut New Album 'Love Yourself: Tear' At No. 1". I could re-open the Forbes discussion on reliable sources to revisit this if you think its helpful. For now, the Forbes decision by Wikipedia was made for current publications made after the decision on reliable sources was made. Either way, if any of the citations from Forbes look odd to you, whether by staff or contributors, then let me know and I will check through them. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:26, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is not my task to go through every Forbes source; that is your responsibility, and I just mentioned to be extra careful with Forbes because it is not as reliable as you think. Ippantekina (talk) 02:02, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ippantekina: if I may offer an additional comment, the Forbes pieces cited are ones written by known/reputable music writers/journalists who have also written for other music sources e.g Billboard. The consensus note on articles written by Forbes contributors states that they can be used if written by a subject expert which I believe those writers qualify as, hence the reason they were used in the first place. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 18:59, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I understand. I advise to be extra careful, and if there are substitutes (which are plenty i.e. Billboard) then swapping them is better. Ippantekina (talk) 00:53, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2010–2014

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  • "A group who could make socially conscious music without the restrictions K-pop bands were known for, able to be sincere and genuine in a time where K-pop bands were highly regimented." grammar
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 03:24, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The group was meant to debut in 2011 and featured on several tracks by artists such as 2AM and Lee Seung-gi before their debut was postponed and the group was reorganized into a more traditional idol group." consider splitting this sentence
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 03:24, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Change wording to state that it reached the top 5 on the Gaon Music Chart. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:07, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Ippantekina: Duplicate links removed, endashes installed, and Forbes cites converted. Ready for next set of edits when available. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:56, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ErnestKrause Yes, my comments will follow shortly. Please bare with my busy schedule. Ippantekina (talk) 04:06, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2014–2017

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  • See WP:PRIMARY. Replace any of the following references: YouTube, Twitter, and any social media. I am seeing a YouTube reference for "Boy in Luv", and YouTube is an unreliable source in this case.
 Done replaced/removed youtube links. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 22:33, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replace "Korea" with "South Korea" (everywhere).
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 06:11, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Use appropriate language templates for foreign language titles. You can use either {{lang}} or {{lang-ko}}.
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 06:11, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • explored the growth and emotional agony of youth as well as its playful and uplifting sides "the ups and downs of youth" or something similar, for wording consistency.
 Done I put "highs and lows". Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 15:17, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • While its second single, "Dope (Korean: 쩔어; RR: Jjeoreo)" peaked at number three on Billboard's World Digital Songs Chart and became their first music video to accrue over 100 million views on YouTube grammar.
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 06:11, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Their first Korean compilation album and the finale to their "youth series" What is the "youth series"? I am not seeing an introduction anywhere.
 Done I put "The album served as the introduction to their youth trilogy. A group of albums dedicated to the struggles of youth." w/cite near the introductory album. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 15:37, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
? It remains unclear. Use "series" or "trilogy" throughout to avoid confusion. Ippantekina (talk) 01:06, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • appeared on the U.S. Billboard 200 at what position?
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 06:11, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • to sold-out audiences. without a recorded number of audience this is redundant.
 Done removed sold-out audiences Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 06:11, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • a music chart "all-kill" in South Korea what is an "all-kill"?
 Done linked Perfect All-Kill Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 06:11, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • number 26 on the U.S. Billboard 200 italicise Billboard.
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 06:11, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • the highest chart ranking ever for a K-pop album at the time if this record was broken then it doesn't need to be mentioend.
 Done someone removed it Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 15:17, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • It was their first "million seller" album,[73] moving over 1.5 million copies in South Korea that year and became the best-selling album in Gaon Album Chart history at the time. no need for quotation marks "million seller"
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 06:11, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Embodying nostalgia and sorrow, it opened a new chapter in BTS' aesthetics and lyricism and attracted fans across generational boundaries. "attracted fans across generational boundaries" is POV. (You may want to read WP:FANCRUFT.)
 Done changed to "attracted many fans" Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 06:11, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • eight of the major South Korean online music charts and crashed Melon's digital chart I think Melon is a retailer site, and per WP:BADCHARTS we do not discuss retailer charts (i.e. iTunes, Amazon, Melon). Only discuss the Gaon Music Chart which is South Korea's official chart.
 Done Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 17:00, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • It also entered the U.S. Billboard's Bubbling Under Hot 100 singles chart with zero promotions "with zero promotions" is redundant because BTS is a South Korean band, so it is understandable they don't promote in the U.S.
 Done Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 17:00, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • As evidence of its staying power, "Spring Day" is the longest-charting song on Melon to date. ditto with WP:BADCHARTS.
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 01:36, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • BTS commenced their second world tour, 2017 BTS Live Trilogy Episode III: The Wings Tour, from February to December One does not commence "from... to". Change the verb.
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 01:36, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • One recurring issue I see is very POV wording: "aggressive", "success", etc. Try simply stating the facts.
 Done Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 15:57, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • How many dates were the 2017 Wings Tour in total? Readers would be better aided with specific numbers of dates, attendance and revenue rather than the current description.

Ippantekina (talk) 04:06, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • reworking the sound and lyrics to similar sentiments toward societal change that Seo Taiji argued for in his songs is this also the theme of "Come Back Home"?
"Maintaining its originally intensely dark feeling." ErnestKrause (talk) 15:21, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • and featured music from the Chainsmokers' Andrew Taggart for the track "Best of Me". is this notable? It disrupts the flow of the EP we are discussing.
Remove as off topic. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:21, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • the second Korean act with a Korean-language song who was the first?
Gangnam Style. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:21, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would change "Korean artist" to "South Korean artist" or "K-pop artist" to avoid confusion with North Korea
South Korea. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:21, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • raising their profile internationally superfluous
Remove redundancy. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:21, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • to welcome the new year remove this, we all know the Dick Clark event is to celebrate New Year
Remove redundancy. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:21, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The top 3 music agencies. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:21, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Link them also (I am assuming they are SM Entertainment, YG Entertainment and JYP Entertainment?). Avoid jargon terms because non-K-pop readers may not understand what they are. Ippantekina (talk) 07:37, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've linked the pages. Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 09:51, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2018–2020

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  • embodied the "起" or "beginning" of the narrative sequence I cannot find this in the Billboard ref.
Remove subordinate clause. ErnestKrause (talk) 16:30, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • BTS debuted as performers does this mean they were the first performers, or that was their first performance at the awards?
changed to "BTS had their first performance" Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 09:14, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Commercially, Love Yourself: Tear was one of BTS' best selling albums, bringing them to new heights both domestically and internationally Same issue I raised regarding POV wording and possibly undue weight.
Remove subordinate clause. ErnestKrause (talk) 16:30, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Billboard 200 becoming comma after 200
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 09:14, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • BTS' highest-charting and first number one album in the US I think BTS has achieved more than one number-one albums, so it is no longer their highest-charting.
removed "highest-charting"
  • Be consistent with "U.S." or "US" throughout the article (MOS:US). Revise the whole article if necessary.
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 09:14, 13 November 2021 (UTC) If you see anything wrong please let me know[reply]
  • Same problem with "U.K."/"UK"/"United Kingdom". Use one throughout.
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 09:14, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Their single "Fake Love" became their first top ten hit at number 10 on MOS:NUM; either spell out or keep the number form for consistency.
Shorten text. ErnestKrause (talk) 16:39, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • by a Korean group. same issue "Korean" vs "South Korean" again.
South Korean. ErnestKrause (talk) 16:39, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Specify "Answer". ErnestKrause (talk) 16:39, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ready for next set of edits when available. ErnestKrause (talk) 16:39, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • their highest sales week in the country at that time if this has been broken then it's not worth mentioning; "at that time" phrasings are best avoided.
removed Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 21:06, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • In Canada, Love Yourself: Answer became the group's first number-one album on the Canadian Albums Chart where is the ref?
Paragraph rewritten to keep USA results together, and Canada results together, and not mix them. Cites now support this for each country. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:16, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • During their tour, BTS also featured on Steve Aoki's single "Waste It on Me" Confusing; did they feature while they were on tour?
They were featured on the song. It was officially released while they were on tour. Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 06:38, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • On tour, BTS continued to play to progressively larger venues from arenas to domes to stadiums this is unnecessary (as said previously), potentially OR or SYNTH or both.
removed Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 06:30, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • the first time a Korean act has performed at a US stadium. "a Korean act performed"
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 04:18, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • According to StubHub BTS was comma after StubHub
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 04:18, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • was one of 2018's best-selling concerts in international markets outside the US, second to only Ed Sheeran. was the second best-selling concert act outside the US, behind Ed Sheeran
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 04:18, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Vivid Seats named BTS the 2018 artist of the year, citing the group's history-making concert at Citi Field. unnecessary because this is better included at the tour's page. We are not supposed to list every accolade here; plus Vivid Seats is of marginal importance.
removed Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 04:18, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • At the end of the year, BTS won their third Artist of the Year at the 20th Mnet Asian Music Awards in a row At the 20th Mnet Asian Music Awards, BTS won their third consecutive Artist of the Year
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 04:18, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redundant to mention Drake or Taylor Swift
removed Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 04:18, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The group sold more than 10 million albums in South Korea alone, with 5 million being sold in 2018 alone. If this number has been updated (i.e. 2020 or 2021), remove this.
Remove this. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:16, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 21:06, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Commercially, BTS reached new career heights I believe they have consistently reached new heights. This is unnecessary to say.
removed Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 04:18, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • joining the likes of the Beatles, who achieved the same in 1995–96 what does "the same" mean?
"the same feat" Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 04:18, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • the highest in history for a Korean group at the time ditto with "at the time". Remove all "at the time" phrasings throughout the article, if there are any.
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 21:06, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • making it BTS' first single to attain this certification in the UK unsupported by the BPI ref, which only mentions the certification.
Shorten sentence. Cover certification in sentence. Keep cite. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:16, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 04:18, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • All dates sold out within two hours, with second dates for all venues added due to the high demand Due to high demand, BTS added more shows after tickets for the first dates sold out within two hours.
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 04:18, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • their new mobile game BTS World set for June 2019 mobile game BTS World in June 2019
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 04:18, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is BTS' first million certification in Japan since their debut
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 04:18, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This is currently how the Wikipedia article for Love Yourself: Tear is set up with top sales being in Korea and as recorded by GAON for Korea. If you would like to see year by year results then that's possible, though GAON is the source for all of this unless you would like a different country covered (with lower sales numbers). ErnestKrause (talk) 00:16, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ready for next set of edits when available. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:16, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2018: Section break
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  • he group outgrossed legacy rock acts like the Rolling Stones, Metallica, and KISS, as well as fellow boy band the Backstreet Boys, Unnecessary. Mentioning BTS was the top touring group of the year is enough.
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 06:30, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • award show awards show
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 06:30, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • became the first artists in history should this be singular?
The "group" is singular, and the "members" are plural; the "artists" are the "members". ErnestKrause (talk) 16:41, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, use the singular form because "band" is a collective noun. Ippantekina (talk) 14:03, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • was named as the third best-selling album of 2019 by the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry was the third-best selling album of 2019 according to the International...; I recommend you avoid the passive voice whenever possible, and use the active voice instead.
Shorten sentence. Same citations. ErnestKrause (talk) 17:24, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Attributing to the album's critical and commercial success worldwide the IFPI only recognises commercial sales; I also do not see the critical evaluation of BTS' albums anywhere thus far.
This article's citations to Rolling Stone and Billboard contain multiple comments on the critical evaluation of BTS released songs and albums. The current article is written to highlight the success of the group's releases based on success at the charts as supported by reliable sources. Adding the critical comments from Rolling Stone and Billboard already cited in this article would lengthen the presentation of the material if you would like it added at this time. ErnestKrause (talk) 17:38, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This is SYNTH. The sentence reads as if the IFPI also honoured their critical achievements, which is not the case. Ippantekina (talk) 14:04, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That sentence was re-done. There would be no synth now, only the stats. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:10, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The album debuted at number one in the world's five largest music markets What markets are these? Plus Hugh McIntyre is a contributor and not an editor for Forbes, so remove it and replace with a reliable source.
There is a comment in the above section of this GAN from another editor that he is a reliable source. Nonetheless, his citation can be mechanically switched-out to another reliable source which contains the exact same information. Wikipedia policy at this time is that the print version of Forbes which used contributors may be used in Wikipedia as a reliable source. It is only contributors on the dot.com version of Forbes which are to be flagged. Nonetheless, his citation can be switched-out for another source which contains the exact same information. ErnestKrause (talk) 17:38, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Forbes articles like the Hugh McIntyre ones are not print editions fyi. And yes, please replace them. Ippantekina (talk) 13:59, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Replace them. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:10, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • It was the group's third top-ten and highest-charting single on the chart, giving them more top-ten entries than any other Korean act on the Hot 100 If I remember correctly BTS has got a number one song, so it is no longer their "highest-charting" single any more.
Changed to "It was the group's third top-ten single, giving them more top-ten entries of any Korean act on the Hot 100 chart." Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 06:30, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 06:30, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 06:30, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is the Canadian Top 40 chart the Canada CHR/Top 40? If not, remove it. If so, replace the Forbes sources because they are both by Hugh McIntyre, a contributor and not an editor.
Change out reference. The current Wikipedia policy for FORBES as a reliable source is stated by Wikipedia as: "Forbes and Forbes.com include articles written by their staff, which are written with editorial oversight, and are generally reliable. Forbes also publishes various "top" lists which can be referenced in articles. See also: Forbes.com contributors." If its in the FORBES print edition, by staff or contributors, then it can be used as a reliable source. ErnestKrause (talk) 17:45, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link Rap Albums (if the chart has not been linked previously).
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 06:30, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Ippantekina (talk) 05:41, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ready for next set of edits when available. ErnestKrause (talk) 17:46, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Let's clear one thing up: None of the Forbes sources I mentioned are reliable; they are not print editions (WP:FORBESCON). "Most content on Forbes.com is written by contributors with minimal editorial oversight, and is generally unreliable." Ippantekina (talk) 14:00, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Taking out all McIntyres from Fortune tonight. If there are any remaining, ping me. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:09, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2021

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  • Refs 249, 250, 251 should not be bundled. Place them at the end of the sentence they are meant to prove.
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 20:00, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • making them the quickest act to reach four number ones since Justin Timberlake a decade-and-a-half ago a specific year is better.
It was 2006. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:07, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some Billboard citations (i.e. ref 255) are subscription-only. Mark them with appropriate tags using |access=subscription
That one and others now marked subscription. ErnestKrause (talk) 23:51, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • since Michael Jackson more than three decades ago ditto.
That sentence was pulled because it was a Forbes McIntyre cite. Replaced. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:07, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • On October 4, 2021, BTS' song with Coldplay reached number one on their songs chart marking both Coldplay and BTS’ first Number One on the chart. BTS made history as the first Korean act to top the RS 100." which chart? If it is the Rolling Stone Top 100, remove it because it is defunct.
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 20:00, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Avoid one-sentence paragraphs.
Sentence merged. ErnestKrause (talk) 23:26, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Inconsistency "Number One", "number one", "No. 1".
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 20:00, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Artistry

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His name is currently linked as Hermann Hesse with a double 's'. ErnestKrause (talk) 23:24, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I mean the " 's" should be outside the wikilink. Fixed it myself. Ippantekina (talk) 03:29, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Ippantekina: All sections now have locks to Billboard subscription only, and the McIntyre (Forbes) citations have been changed out or removed. Ready for next set of edits when available. ErnestKrause (talk) 18:18, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some Billboard links are available for the public. Double-check which links require subscription and which ones don't. Ippantekina (talk) 14:19, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
On-line journals transitioning from free access to paid subscription is usually a work in progress and this may be a matter or days, weeks or months for Billboard to eventually shift to being all paid subscription access. I have switched back the Tamar citation to free access, though Billboard could change this again at any time. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Continuing...

  • Their lyrics, which often include social commentary and criticisms of South Korean society, clearly reflect these. I am not seeing a reference.
Billboard reference added. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • BTS' albums have been described in 2017 as contained recurring themes that fall under the overarching theme of "reflection of youth." According to a 2017 analysis by [...], BTS' albums contain recurring youth-related themes.
Enhancing of another previous editor to your version. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • See MOS:" for proper use of quotation marks.
Previous editor had unexpected use of quote marks which I have rewritten in parts of this section. Let me know if there is other non-MOS quoting which you spot anywhere in the article or this section. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The was incorrectly and ambiguously worded. Rewriting that sentence to a more conventional form. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The section on the band's lyrics contain disparate information of disconnected songs. Try rewriting them so that they are cohesive and have a single theme.
Section break added for clarification between some of the separate songs covered in that paragraph. The original version was set up to cover a set of examples from different songs and different themes to show that BTS has separate social concerns among their separate songs. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The third paragraph (about the members' songwriting) should be at the top of this section.
Third paragraph to top of section. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ready for next set of edits when available. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Replace with better citations. Modify wording to new citations. ErnestKrause (talk) 23:19, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Legacy

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  • On April 29, 2019 BTS was named by Time magazine to "The 100 Most Influential People" of the year giving them the nickname "Princes of Pop" grammar.
done Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 18:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Billboard's Senior Vice President, Nielsen Music Vice President remove their titles because they may be demoted/promoted in the future. Names are enough.
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 18:43, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • were the second best-selling artists worldwide in terms of physical, digital, and streaming platforms, coming second only to Drake confusing.
Replace with "of multiple media platforms...". ErnestKrause (talk) 23:19, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Linked the 73rd and also the 76th one. But I do not see any mention of the 78th one. Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 18:54, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, my bad. Ippantekina (talk) 14:40, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Added to the sentence before it. "That year, BTS, who was five years into their career, also became the youngest ever recipients of the Order of Cultural Merit." Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 19:21, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ready for next set of edits when available. ErnestKrause (talk) 23:19, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Second read-through

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Should I find no prose issue, I shall pass this GAN. Other than the prose, here are my comments on MOS:

Sources
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  • I would advise you to link all websites, magazines etc. for the citations. According to WP:OVERLINK duplicate links in citations are acceptable, and more coherent.
Current version uses individual links for magazines and journals throughout the ref list as the standing convention. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:26, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some Billboard references do not require subscription i.e. #5, #179, #180 to name a few. Double-check this.
Dropping the cite locks for now. This could change in the next day, the next week, or the next month for Billboard magazine since they are in the process of transitioning from free to paid on-line use. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:26, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've already looked through all of them and removed the ones that didn't need subscriptions. If they do change then I will add them back. Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 19:52, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove and replace #64 because inquisitr is unreliable per WP:RSP.
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 04:06, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Avoid primary references (i.e. YouTube, Facebook, Twitter). Find better sources to replace #11, #301.
Replace the AV cites. Cite #301 is currently for the Korean Herald and looks ok. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:26, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Add author names (first, last) to every source where available. A lot of them are lacking.
Names added. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:26, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Forbes sources check:
    • #201: Red XN written by a "senior contributor"
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 01:06, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • #215: Red XN written by a "senior contributor"
 Done Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 04:06, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • #217: Green tickY written by a staff

This will take a lot of work but I hope you can resolve them for MOS compliancy. After my second prose read through I will pass this if I find no other major concern. Ippantekina (talk) 14:40, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ippantekina: Looks a bit better now. Ready for next set of edits when available. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:26, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Passing. Well done. Ippantekina (talk) 10:28, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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