Talk:BRAAAM

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A fact from BRAAAM appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 11 April 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that there is a name – BRAAAM – for the loud – BRAAAM – low horn sound (featured) – BRAAAM – made popular by action film trailers?

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 13:50, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM

... that the origin of BRAAAM, the loud, low horn sound commonly found in action film trailers, is disputed? Source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/braaams-beginners-how-a-horn-793220/
- ALT1: ... that in action movie trailers ... *BRAAAM* ... there is a name ... *BRAAAM* ... for the loud, low horn sound ...*BRAAAM* ... made popular by Inception? Source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/braaams-beginners-how-a-horn-793220/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2B (Nier: Automata)
- Comment: ALT1 is an attempt at a silly hook. 4/1 is probably already planned, though. :)

Not sure about the rules for captions, but I hear audio clips don't get a lot of engagement in DYK, so why not make it more clickworthy. Created by Rhododendrites (talk). Self-nominated at 03:59, 25 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/BRAAAM; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image eligibility:

Freely licensed:
Used in article:
Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Rhododendrites: Both hooks look like they'll do well, although a few changes need to be made to ALT1 to make it read better. (alternative below) I think the caption is perfectly descriptive of the sound effect. Article does seem to lean a bit heavy on the quotes. Awaiting QPQ. :3 F4U (they /it) 14:07, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1a ... that there is a name – BRAAAM – for the loud – *BRAAAM – low horn sound – BRAAAM – made popular by action film trailers?
- @Freedom4U: Thanks. No objections to ALT1a, although it may call for more wikilinks at the end. I made some follow-up edits to the article (see edit summaries if interested), and will get to the QPQ later today (and hopefully that other pending review :) ). — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 15:44, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Rhododendrites: I feel like both "action movie film" and "horn" are simple everyday words that don't need to be linked. Changes to the article look good. :3 F4U (they/it) 22:53, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    - @Freedom4U: QPQ done. Going to disagree about action films being a simple concept of the sort that doesn't need to be linked, but I don't mind deferring to whomever preps the hook, either. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 17:11, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      - @Rhododendrites: Alright, sounds good. Approving... :3 F4U (they /it) 15:12, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

description is incomplete

there is clearly a drum hit at the start of the sound, or at least in the example posted on the page.

that's not OR, that's using-one's-ears.

duncanrmi (talk) 10:07, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to say that pretty much is OR, but the tags at Freesound (where this was originally posted) do include "drum". DS (talk) 17:56, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's a case of "this is the only free example we could find". It's not a perfect reproduction of the Inception sound and isn't actually taken from any of the trailers. The person who created it seemed to be trying to reproduce the sound using the tools at his disposal. No objection to someone finding an alternative that uses a strict interpretation of what the sources talk about. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 18:42, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://freesound.org/people/steaq/sounds/581842/? DS (talk) 04:00, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pitch

I've removed the reference to it being mostly C. Firstly, the assertion is supported by neither of the refs for the text around there. Yes, the first one does mention a C but it is so glancing and tangential as to be irrelevant, and cannot support the removed text. Secondly, the example here given is on a D so it rather awkwardly makes a semi-liar out of the text straight away. It did say mostly, yes, and I get it that we can only use the examples we can get, but it does seem a shame to assert one thing and illustrate another in contradiction. Maybe a different-pitched example would be possible one day, and/or a ref that supports the pitch claim, but until then I feel that this cannot be in there. 2A00:23EE:1398:148C:3145:2E27:4777:672B (talk) 22:15, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lost

I always thought the BRAAAM is the logical continuation of the Lost Opening Title sound. No reference for that, so nothing to enter, but I really think the BRAAAM is just a further dramatized and shortened version of the latter. --denny vrandečić (talk) 22:08, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It also reminds me strongly of the opening riff on Boulevard of Broken Dreams, which came out in 2004, just after the launch of Lost. --denny vrandečić (talk) 15:51, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]