Talk:BC United/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Old Logos

Other BC Liberal Logo

I have added another old Liberal logo thumbnail to the relevant section. Including these may be more important/helpful now given the name change. In the historical sections, it will remind readers that the party was not always known by its current name (and for most of its history was not). If anyone can find the exact dates that these logos were adopted, and discontinued that would be useful. Anyway, it seems this one is available too. I have not added it yet because I don't see a WP:RS that it was actually used, though I assume/believe it was. Not sure when though.-- Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 17:51, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Did you get that from the Election Prediction Project? That's the logo they used in 2001.-- Earl Andrew - talk 18:02, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

No, just did a file search on the project.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 18:04, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Ah. Well, if that isn't RS enough for you, that logo was used on the BC Liberal website in 2001 as well.-- Earl Andrew - talk 18:05, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Works for me.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 18:06, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Updates required given name change

We need the new logo, and may need to change the party colour used in tables, charts etc. Also need to rescue the archives which are still at Talk:British Columbia Liberal Party/Archive 1, 2, 3 etc.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 01:06, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

The colours in the tables etc should remain BC Liberal red when talking about historical events, as they were still the BC Liberals then. (There's actually some precedent here; the Austrian People's Party changed their branding from black to teal a few years back, and teal is only used in tables/charts/lists after the change, never backdated.) I'm going to propose that a new entry for United be added to Template:Canadian party colour. — Kawnhr (talk) 01:45, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

why don't we just leave this page as BC liberals and Note that they were dissolved and succeeded by BC united and have a new BC united page? Hholdenday (talk) 02:46, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

But the BC Liberal Party was not dissolved; it just changed its name. BC United isn't a legal successor, it is the same legal entity. — Kawnhr (talk) 15:45, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

What even are BC United's colors? The new logo is predominantly dark grey with a very tiny pink and teal swoop. The website seems to use pink and teal roughly equally. Maybe teal like the Austrian People's Party? MAINEiac4434 (talk) 03:45, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

I moved the talk page archive to match this main talk page. If there's another move, the mover should just move the archive and update the archive configuration at the same time. (When it's an RM that closes in favour of moving, the closer will normally take care of it.) Adumbrativus (talk) 05:26, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

I’m moving towards being in favour of splitting the article – keeping an article for the historical BC Liberal Party (a party which had participation in government for much of British Columbia's history) and creating a new, separate article for BC United.— Autospark (talk) 09:18, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Speaking of the colours, we have yet to reach a consensus as to what colours to use. Personally, I prefer we go with pink. I think we should either discuss them here or here, where a discussion has already begun. -- Earl Andrew - talk 13:25, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

i support leaving a historical liberal page and moving towards creating a new BC united page Hholdenday (talk) 15:43, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't see why we should do that. BC United is not a new party, it's an existing one with a new brand. You could point to how Canadian Alliance has a separate page from Reform Party of Canada, but the CA's re-foundation was a notable and protracted development, and (at least ostensibly) a merger. That's not the case here, where the BCL simply voted to change its name, and then did. If the BC NDP and BC CCF can share a page, there's no reason the BCU and BCL can't. — Kawnhr (talk) 15:55, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Agree with Kawnhr. This was a facelift and name change, not the formation of a new party. Same leader, MLAs and policies before and after. It is not the sort of shift that would allow us to view the BC Liberals and BC United as two distinct parties, worthy of two separate articles.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 17:15, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Also agree with Kawnhr... this is noted in all sources as a name change/rebrand. The BC Liberals did not disband. The BC Liberals do not exist independent of BC United... they are BC United. —Joeyconnick (talk) 18:10, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

I also agree with Kawnhr. Rushtheeditor (talk) 00:05, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Concerning colours, I think it is safe to say we will end up using whatever most WP:RS use in their election coverage. Perhaps there is not much point discussing it too much until then.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 22:55, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

The party's website appears to be emphasizing teal on the homepage. However, I agree that we should wait and see what will be used more in the forthcoming election.Raellerby (talk) 14:57, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

FWIW, JP Fournier from Maclean's and 338canada.com did a Twitter poll, and pink ended up winning, so he will be using pink in his analysis.-- Earl Andrew - talk 15:11, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps we should just add United to the template with the current Liberal colour for now? It seems like a good idea to get it in there. — Kawnhr (talk) 16:08, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

I am not particularly concerned about the article's name, but I surely support the two-article option: one for the century-old BC Liberal party and one for this one. It is quite better to keep to have separate articles, for the sake of readers and history. --Checco (talk) 12:26, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Colour

isn't BCU more teal than pink [1], at the bottom there is even their logo in white on tealish ground Braganza (talk) 05:37, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

@Earl Andrew, Hholdenday, and PLATEL: @User:Briguychau Braganza (talk) 08:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

I have not dealt with this political party, but I think pink suits it better for two reasons

1) historical continuity from the BC Liberal Party, which used a red color close to current

2) The turquoise color is slightly similar to the color of the BC Conservative Party, which can be confusing. PLATEL (talk) 09:04, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

well, i would rather change the CPBC color, it was dark blue since 1991 when they stopped calling themselves PC. Also ÖVP still uses black to some extend but we switched to cyan

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Braganza (talk) 09:20, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

I do not understand the colors of the Canadian parties at all, they are all kind of faded. Apparently this has been on Wikipedia for a long time. PLATEL (talk) 10:10, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

It's a PC relict I think Braganza (talk) 10:15, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

The main party colour is teal; the pink appears to be an accent colour.-- Autospark (talk) 10:20, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, if you have an opinion on the colour, I would say to bring it up here. It seems to be the majority opinion so far is to go with pink, as it's closer to the red they were when they were the Liberals. Also, teal is too close to Green (used by the Greens) and blue (used by the Conservatives).-- Earl Andrew - talk 13:20, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

pink isnt that different from Orange either (and the blue problem can be fixed) Braganza (talk) 17:35, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Template talk:Canadian party colour#RfC: British Columbia United Braganza (talk) 21:44, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 13 April 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks 21:11, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

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British Columbia United → BC United – The party officially changed its name today. The official name registered with Elections BC is "BC United".[2] The article should be moved to reflect this change.-- Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 00:48, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Well, I thought we should go with the official name but, in fairness for the previous name (British Columbia Liberal Party), we used the full "British Columbia" despite the official name (and one used on ballots) being "BC Liberal Party". Also for the "BC NDP", we use the longer British Columbia New Democratic Party despite "BC NDP" being the official and ballot name. So maybe we should stick with "British Columbia United" or change it to the longer "British Columbia United Party". I don't have a strong opinion either way.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 01:26, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

The political party is titled “BC United”, not “British Columbia United Party”. “BC United” is fine, or “BC United (political party)” if a need for disambiguation arises. Although, being honest, we should consider creating a separate article on BC United and leaving the article intact for the now-historical BC Liberal party.)— Autospark (talk) 08:50, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

• Note - There is some discussion of this in the discussion below.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 17:19, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

I am tentatively leaning towards BC United as the page name. That's how they're registered and how they're branding themselves, so it makes sense to follow suit rather than 'unpack' their name for them. Yes, we do that for British Columbia New Democratic Party (registered as "BC NDP"), but the footnote says it's because the party and other sources regularly use the unabbreviated form of the name (and also probably for consistency with other NDP branches). But if nobody uses the long form, then I don't think we should be pioneering it. Of course, it's still early days, so who knows how their branding will evolve, which is why I'm only tentatively supporting it. It might be better to just wait. — Kawnhr (talk) 23:46, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Name: BC United, BC United Party, United BC Party...

Further to the closed move discussion above, and Kawnhr's comment there about "how their branding will evolve", it is worth noting that BC United appears to have registered BC United Party and United BC Party as other names with Elections BC. I am not eager to change the name at this time, but this might be one thing to consider if we look at this again in the future, when more reporting has occurred and the branding has developed through elections etc.-- Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 23:53, 1 May 2023 (UTC)