Talk:BAE Systems Corax

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:11, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Corax is not Raven

Corax and Raven are different aircraft. Even the Flight international article referenced on this page makes that clear. Corax is the aircraft pictured; Raven has a similar/the same fuselarge, but delta wings. A picture of Raven can be found at http://imagegallery.baesystems.investis.com/default.aspx?catid=238. Graham Fountain 16:27, 14 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graham.Fountain (talk • contribs)

The reference for the article, the BBC News Story, clearly says "The unmanned vehicle, which has been built by BAE Systems, is known as the Corax, or as the Raven." I don't know what the Flight International article says as I can't seem to get it to load or download, but we do have a reference stating it's known as the Raven. Canterbury Tail talk 19:21, 14 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if the author of the BBC's report was confused or just confusing. I think what may have happend relates to Bill Sweetman's comment that "if you take those long outer wings off and put on shorter swept wings, you have a somewhat faster aircraft that would be more of a penetrating strike platform." What he's refereing to there, with the short, swept wings, is Raven. Also the BBC have been known to be just plain wrong on occasion (viz: http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/hampshire/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8467000/8467956.stm - "island of Haiti").

I don't know what the problem with the FI article on Corax is. The relevant bit about Raven is as follows:

" The [Defence Industrial Strategy] document also makes reference to a BAE-developed UAV design called Raven, which it says 'went from concept to first flight within 10 months'. "

In any case and certainly in this context, even if you don't take them as definitive, greater value should be given to the BAE Systems website ([[1]]) and information from Autonomous Systems and Future Capability (Air) Dept. (as it was called at the time [see Charlton Ogburn's quote on reorganization]): If you look at the pictures there are two clearly different aircraft, and they have their names written on them - Raven on the swept wing one, and Corax on the one with "the long outer wings". There's also reference to these as separate aircraft [[2]], where it says "… originally developed by BAE Systems Australia as the Vehicle Management System (VMS) and ground mission systems for the Kingfisher UAV (unmanned air vehicle) and has since been used on the Raven, Corax and HERTI UAVs".

Hence, I think we need this statement, that Corax and Raven are the same thing, removing from the BAE Corax page, and a separate, cross-linked article on Raven should be started. I know you're going to say, feel free, but I wouldn't feel happy that, in this case, I'm entirely free of conflict of interest.

P.S. Another little niggle is that, since the merger with Marconi Eletronic Systems, it's "BAE Systems" not "BAE" or "BAe" anymore.

Graham.Fountain | Talk 15:20, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]