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This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, ---J.S (t|c) 03:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Quote farming

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This article, like any other, should not simply be a collection of quotes, let alone quotes cherry picked and sourced mostly to MEMRI and the Daily Mail. There are all sorts of policy issues at stake here, ie WP:UNDUE, WP:BLP etc. I know not all the quotes originally placed here in previous edits have now been put back, but it's still too many in my view. There were too many quotes before you even first added them - I had reluctantly left some of the Daily Mail ones in, but was hoping someone would come along and make contributions to this page eg by spelling out more what his books are about and also by giving a rounder description of his political views (eg on Islam and democracy, his reported role in persuading Hamas to moderate its covenant, his calls for coexistence in the Middle East etc etc). However instead the article is now filling up with one-off quotes from random TV interviews, selected and highlighted mostly by a partisan advocacy group, which to the passing reader might give the impression that he's some kind of raving anti-semite. I know the comment to the BBC about suicide bombers generated quite a lot of controversy at the time, but the others currently listed in detail seem pretty non-notable. If we just wanted to pad the page with one-off quotes, there are plenty of others, eg "martyrdom .. is not blowing oneself up and killing innocent people", "only a fool or an ignorant [would deny the holocaust]", "Middle Eastern politics has driven a wedge between [Muslims and Jews]", "Islam stands for freedom of thought and expression", which paint him in a different light. And the accuracy of MEMRI's translations is in fact frequently disputed (as, probably more importantly, is what they choose to translate and highlight). However I neither want to revert you again, nor fill up the page with yet more quotes, even if I would be doing it in the interests of balance and NPOV. --Nickhh (talk) 22:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've added several more quotes, and eliminated one where he called Israelis "cowardly" for establishing the state of Israel on other people's land. I think we can agree, perhaps, on the relative lack of usefulness of quotes from 1998 and before, from sources that are hostile to Hamas. I think it is more useful to show Tamimi's thoughts in fuller context. In particular, it is a serious distortion of reality to suggest with two out-of-context quotes that Tamimi was seriously suggesting that Jews should actually establish a homeland in Germany and United States. He was making a rhetorical point, not a serious suggestion. I think I've done as much as reasonable and without censorship by adding an additional quote.Haberstr (talk) 06:32, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point- but I think the 3 quotes I've added are acceptable

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I disagree. I've only added 3 quotes in total - two from two separate MEMRI sources (one of which is a televised English Language debate). The third is from the WRMEA which is actually considered "anti-Israel" by many and is unlikely to misquote or skew Tamimi's words. I believe these three quotes are acceptable by Wikipedia's standards. (Hyperionsteel (talk) 22:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC))[reply]

You're in denial of reality. He is a proud member of Hamas, a group that is legally defined as a terrorist organisation by all Western countries, and which is dedicated to the destruction of Israel, and the eradication of all Jews in the world. You'd probably descibe Hitler as an art school dropout, who then did a few naughty things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.5.220 (talk) 14:31, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:UNDUE

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There's a lot of WP:UNDUE in this article. Tamimi seems to have made controversial statements on Israel-Palestine and they should be mentioned in this article, but currently they occupy >50% of the article. Additionally, there's some questionable sources here, like MEMRI.VR talk 08:46, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This has already been discussed at length here. It would seem that Mr. Tamimi's views on suicide bombers (and not just Israel/Palestine) - have received SIGCOV - much more than other activities. There is very little MEMRI here - and what is here - is clips from interviews (in English I believe) he himself has given to Western media. When someone is mostly notable for promulgating such views, then that is what should be covered in the article about them. Icewhiz (talk) 08:57, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'll note I added his positive (at at least widely regarded as such) work on Finsbury Park Mosque's reformation to the article. If there is more significant positive information about him, from RS, perhaps you could work on adding it?Icewhiz (talk) 09:02, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If they indeed have received as much coverage from reliable sources, then please add those and replace the MEMRI citations as you go along. Unedited clips from interviews is really not evidence from coverage, unless part of an article published by a reliable source (e.g. newspaper). Because this is a BLP, I think the urgency of removing a lot of the negative coverage is more imminent than in other cases.VR talk 09:16, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is an article Tamimi apparently wrote. But whoever quoted it in this article, obviously cherry-picked thereby introducing their own POV in the article. The main thesis of the article is stated at the top: "If Israel withdraws from the territories it occupied in 1967, the movement will end armed resistance". It shouldn't be used for anything else, especially not to push particular POVs.VR talk 09:18, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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