Talk:Azure Bonds

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D&D to-do:

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Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Merge : Various articles
Stubs : Dungeoneer's Survival Guide, Swords & Spells, Variant Dungeons & Dragons games, More...
Update : Rewrite to be out-of-universe: Companions of the Hall, Dark Sun, Elf (Dungeons & Dragons)
Verify : add sources to novels planned for merge to List of Dragonlance novels
Other : Collaboration: Dave Arneson, Drow (Dungeons & Dragons)

Further improvements

Adjusted sections as per "Novel article template". However the "Plot summary" is more of a concise rendition of the story's main end conditions. When I started the article, I didnt know about the novel template sections. By design, it's not a detailed summary or point by point synopsis.

Some things to benefit the article:

First edition cover.
Release dates US/UK. (Unfortunately this may be difficult as reprints only seem to reference the original date of publication.)
Adding more wiki-links to this article

Ghost.scream 22:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot 08:30, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notability

Citations

Notability is attested to by 87,000 hits for "Azure Bonds" on Google, including those to the computer game that the book stimulated. The fictional universe is explained in the introduction. This book is a high quality classic fantasy novel. Any attempt to delete its entry, as is currently taking place in a multitude of fantasy-related articles must be resisted. The Fantasy task force needs to be alert. Xxanthippe 04:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC).[reply]

There is no evidence of notability, such as reliable secondary sources. Ghits on there own do not attest to notability; many of these will be fansites and other self-published sources, possibly taking their content from this article or from each other. Please do not remove the cleanup templates before you have cleaned up the the article, else you actions will be interpreted as POV pushing. Kindly restore the template without delay. --Gavin Collins (talk) 09:52, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More citations required (e.g. cite for gaming module). However it is notable due to precusor to a gaming module and a notable computer game. Will be digging up more information for the novel's reception. Stextc (talk) 05:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I shall be grateful if you would restore the Notability cleanup template as there are no reliable secondary sources to demonstrate notability. Please do not remove the cleanup templates before you have cleaned up the the article, else you actions will be interpreted as POV pushing. Kindly restore the template without delay.--Gavin Collins (talk) 09:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notabilty Templates

I note that you have removed the notability cleanup template from the article Azure Bonds with the comment "More citations required. Notable novel to spawn game module and notable computer game".

However, claims of notability must adhere to Wikipedia's policy on verifiability; it is not enough to simply assert that a book meets a criterion without substantiating that claim with reliable sources.

As this article have no reliable secondary sources to demonstrate the notability, can you provide evidence that these subjects are notable? If not, I am requesting that you restore the cleanup template, so that editors other than yourself will be alerted to the fact that additional citations are required. --Gavin Collins (talk) 09:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gavin.collins : Thought this would be a better place to discuss. If the computer game is notable (I'll be adding more reviews over the next few weeks) will that make the book notable too?

Since the book is the inspiration for the game? Are we allowed to establish notability that way? Stextc (talk) 23:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think everybody would very much welcome any sourced material, particularly content that is supported by reliable sources, and I am sure any contribution you make to this article will result in its improvement. --Gavin Collins (talk) 15:53, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removed the other reference I had originally inserted with a proper review and RPGNET ranking. This coupled with the novel being the basis of a notable computer game, would this be enough to establish notability? I agree that more references would be great but this should be sufficient to get rid of the notability tag. I'll discuss here first before editing the tags.Stextc (talk) 05:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article should be much more cleaner now with plot merged. I'll still work on fixing up the plot and some of the character descriptions when I get the time. However with a review inserted and the novel serving as a basis for the gaming module and a computer game, notability should be asserted. If there are no further discussions, I will remove the notability template sometime next week.Stextc (talk) 02:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge from Akabar Bel Akash

Per the proposed merge from September 2007, I have merged the relevant material from Akabar Bel Akash into this article. It makes his bio too long compared to the others but there are various options - either editing it down or expanding the others.

I am assuming this is uncontroverisal, as the merge was proposed six months ago and there was no opposition. If anyone has a contrary view please let me know. Euryalus (talk) 02:16, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please cease and desist from removing the Notability template without reasonable justification

Please cease and desist from removing the Notability template (and other cleanup templates) from Azure Bonds, an article which does not have any reliable secondary sources. There is no reasonable justification for removing the template which was put there to address this problem. The reason why I ask you to do this in the strongest possible terms is that you appear to be POV pushing, as the explanations for removing the template are not supported by a rational interpretation of the notability guideline WP:BK and WP:RS which applies to this topic.--Gavin Collins (talk) 09:40, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply on user page of Gavin Collins talk where there is so much of similar nature. Xxanthippe (talk) 05:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC). See also this Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Gavin.collins, this Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Kender and this Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dungeons & Dragons. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC).[reply]

This material was placed on my talk page. I put it here, where it belongs. Xxanthippe (talk).

Note. Gavin Collins was banned from editing Wikipedia in 2010. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:07, 20 May 2014 (UTC).[reply]

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