Talk:Ayu Tsukimiya/GA2

GA Reassessment

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As I explained above (Talk:Ayu_Tsukimiya#Not_notable.2C_suggest_merge_to_List_of_Kanon_characters) this article has major issues, namely failing WP:OR and WP:GNG. In other words, it fails the following Wikipedia:Good article criteria: 2b, 2c. Notability also means it should't even be an article in the first place (see suggested merge to Kanon list of characters). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:07, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oddly, notability is not a GA criterion. WP:OR, however, is an issue that must be dealt with. Of course, if the article is merged before this GAR is completed, the GAR ends immediately since the article no longer exists... BlueMoonset (talk) 03:06, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see much of a consensus for a merge thus far but will wait for other editors to weigh in. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:10, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point but we only have two small paragraphs of critical reception about the character. The rest are parodies about her. There is a user in the Wikiproject for manga and anime who always collects reviews and brings them to the talk page so I think we could ask for help before the article is merged.Tintor2 (talk) 22:17, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Question - Have Japanese sources been sought for? Given the popularity of Kanon (particularly the original VN) there could be coverage about Tsukimiya out there in Japanese. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 15:06, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, forgot about liking the user User:Allen4names. Sorry if this bothers you.Tintor2 (talk) 15:15, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

For what it is worth I added some references to {{Refideas}} at Talk:Kanon (visual novel). – Allen4names (contributions) 06:18, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Added two to this article.Tintor2 (talk) 00:15, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Update Managed to find more reviews that mention Ayu and added them to the article.Tintor2 (talk) 00:37, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Whatever happens, this section will certainly survive, even if merged. I'll however point out that we still haven't found a single source about the character, only mentions of her in reviews of the anime. As the anime is relatively popular, it is of course given she will be mentioned in passing in a number of sources. But passing mentions, and those seem to be all we have so far, are problematic when it comes to proving she deserves a stand-alone article. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:31, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: If you mean like awards, then I think I couldn't find anything about the character.Tintor2 (talk) 20:11, 13 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Tintor2: I meant - can we find any article about that character? Not about the anime Kanon in genera in which she is mentioned in passing (and it is hard to write about Kanon without mentioning Ayu...)? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 23:54, 13 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If you need a reference, try Ellie (The Last of Us). While some of the references are just taken from interviews and game reviews, a lot of the references talk directly about the character, such as this, this, this, this, and this. I'm not sure if you'll find have any luck finding individual articles about Ayu, but at least you know what to aim for. Famous Hobo (talk) 02:41, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Famous Hobo: I am a bit confused. Those articles don't seem to mention Ayu at all, and therefore seem off topic here? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:16, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, those articles have nothing to do with Ayu. But, what I'm trying to show is that for finding references for character articles on wikipedia, try and find references that primarily focus on the character in question. For example, Ellie (The Last of Us) is a very notable character, to the point where gaming websites have written multipage analysis articles on her. The current Wikipedia article for Ellie does a great job of finding articles specifically about Ellie. What I'm trying to suggest is for Ayu, try to find articles that soley talk about her, whether that be from a development or reception standpoint. Don't just use small portions of articles or interviews that don't focus on her to comprise the references. Hopefully that made sense. Famous Hobo (talk) 19:29, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but, I think I cant add more since I am on a wikibreak. I am not sure if there is an article with a bigger focus on her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tintor2 (talk • contribs) 18:54, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the sourcing doesn't establish the character as independently notable from the series and that its contents should be merged into the parent series article. Previously discussed on article talk page and in other merge/deletion discussions related to Key's visual novels (all of which once had excessive, separate character articles). czar 21:05, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Piotrus: It's been over 3 months since this reassessment was opened and it's probably due some closure. Are you aware that this is an individual reassessment? The closing decision should be left to the editor initiating this reassessment, which is you. This discussion reads more like a merge proposal so GAR probably isn't the right avenue. --The1337gamer (talk) 19:52, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @The1337gamer: Thanks for the update. It seems to me that we have rough consensus that this cannot be a GA, and that we can proceed to a merge discussion? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:00, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - Since there are no objections, I will start by removing this from GA list. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:16, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]